SB387 "Public Safety - Untraceable Firearms" - The Ban on Private Firearm Making

[ironpony]

The legislature has since the FSA2013 tried to:
-Criminalize the possession of magazines over 10rds
-Criminalize the possession of HBAR rifles
-Criminalize the possession of .300 BLK AR15s
- Require a Long Gun Qualification License for acquiring long guns

They did manage to criminalize the possession of “rapid fire trigger activators” and the private transfers of long guns.

I was not thinking of new legislation rather attempt to say Old legislation means this now. Maybe it was something about colt manufactured firearms or HQL needed for a lower. Sorry but for some reason I thought there was something changed after the fact.

 

[whistlersmother]

What will be the ATF rules on serializing all parts required for shooting?

If ATF rules now require uppers to be serialized and this bill criminalizes possession of anything without serial number that ATF requires, that would mean every EXISTING upper must be serialized before 1/1/23?

Further, if the ATF rule requires bolts and bolt carrier groups to be serialized, then those existing will have to serialized for legal possession in MD?

Same question about any pistols - if the slide and barrel will require serial numbers by the ATF, then those existing will need to be serialized for legal possession in MD?

Or do we need to get from the ATF what part is "overriding" and serialized only that thing?

 

[Collector98]

What will be the ATF rules on serializing all parts required for shooting?

If ATF rules now require uppers to be serialized and this bill criminalizes possession of anything without serial number that ATF requires, that would mean every EXISTING upper must be serialized before 1/1/23?

Further, if the ATF rule requires bolts and bolt carrier groups to be serialized, then those existing will have to serialized for legal possession in MD?

Same question about any pistols - if the slide and barrel will require serial numbers by the ATF, then those existing will need to be serialized for legal possession in MD?

Or do we need to get from the ATF what part is "overriding" and serialized only that thing?

I believe if that were to go through, guns with an already designated serialized component such as an ar lower would be treated the same as they currently are. That's what I've hear at least

 

[DC-W]

The federal rule doesn’t affect current possession of 80% receivers, but it would effect their distribution and pretty much kill the market for them.

 

[DC-W]

The federal rule doesn’t affect current possession of 80% receivers by individuals, but it would effect their distribution and pretty much kill the market for them.

As posted before, it does interfere with the mainstream industry, however.

 

[Doobie]

Many of you are looking at it wrong. Liberal Maryland politicians are NOT looking to REDUCE crime, they are looking to INCREASE crime. If it were not so, they wouldn't be putting forth bull shit laws that make law abiding citizens into criminals. I wish this piece of shit communist state would offer a buyout to conservative gun owners so we could move from this hell hole.

A few years ago I mentioned that its better to move to a free state and enjoy your rights than to stay in Maryland and fight a losing battle while having limited rights. I was scoffed at, but I've been seeing more and more posts of people doing just that. Maryland is a police state and will NEVER be anything but.

 

[teratos]

Many of you are looking at it wrong. Liberal Maryland politicians are NOT looking to REDUCE crime, they are looking to INCREASE crime. If it were not so, they wouldn't be putting forth bull shit laws that make law abiding citizens into criminals. I wish this piece of shit communist state would offer a buyout to conservative gun owners so we could move from this hell hole.

A few years ago I mentioned that its better to move to a free state and enjoy your rights than to stay in Maryland and fight a losing battle while having limited rights. I was scoffed at, but I've been seeing more and more posts of people doing just that. Maryland is a police state and will NEVER be anything but.

Then that is what people should say.

 

[KIBarrister]

What will be the ATF rules on serializing all parts required for shooting?

If ATF rules now require uppers to be serialized and this bill criminalizes possession of anything without serial number that ATF requires, that would mean every EXISTING upper must be serialized before 1/1/23?

Further, if the ATF rule requires bolts and bolt carrier groups to be serialized, then those existing will have to serialized for legal possession in MD?

Same question about any pistols - if the slide and barrel will require serial numbers by the ATF, then those existing will need to be serialized for legal possession in MD?

Or do we need to get from the ATF what part is "overriding" and serialized only that thing?

The current proposed regulation doesn’t automatically require an upper to have a serial - for now. But it lays the groundwork so BATFE can change their mind and bingo, uppers must be serialed, slides too, etc.

It essentially kills future 80’s but doesn’t criminalize the possession of existing 80s.

Marylandistan’s proposed legislation is worse for 80’s to be sure; the federal regulation is far worse in a general sense because of the groundwork it lays.

 

[Bertfish]

People should be out now buying 80s with cash in droves

 

[Doctor_M]

People should be out now buying 80s with cash in droves

Perish the thought, sir.

 

[teratos]

People should be out now buying 80s with cash in droves

People should have done that a decade ago.

 

[PumpkinScissors]

People should be out now buying 80s with cash in droves

Or printing frames endlessly. Would be a good time to get one of the printers with a conveyer belt so that they just keep printing without any sort of interaction.

 

[Bertfish]

Or printing frames endlessly. Would be a good time to get one of the printers with a conveyer belt so that they just keep printing without any sort of interaction.

I approve of your very unique username

 

[Squaregrouper]

Imagine what those measures could have done about the crime rate in Baltimore had they passed….nothing. Absolutely goddamn nothing.

I’m at the point where I think testimony should only be smelling their collective breaths for the scent of Soros’ ding ding, insulting their intelligence, or insulting their integrity.

I'm on it.

 

[BeoBill]

Yep. LEO carve outs are ********. No offense to the LEO here but citizens face the same criminals you do. If you aren’t comfortable doing it with what we can have, then you should be in Annapolis telling these fools that.

That will never happen while there's an MSP "advisor" in Annapolis full time. Your tax dollars in action.

 

[Allen65]

I'm on it.

Why do I have a feeling there will be some epic activity during testimony this year? Will we need to start a legal defense GoFundMe account?

 

[BeoBill]

Obviously I'd prefer to have less of my cake taken, ideally none at all.

But, they are going to take some of our cake. Most likely they are going to take an entire slice. In my view opposing it will fail. It's however possible we may be able to reduce the slice of cake taken.

When faced with the choice of the entire slice, or a slightly smaller slice.. I know what I'll choose every time. The sad reality is I suspect the slice is already taken and this seemingly unpopular view is moot anyway.

They have taken so many slices over the decades that all that remains now are a few crumbs on an otherwise empty plate. The Demanding Moms (and Bloomberg $$$$) run this state. In case you haven't noticed there are now more things that you can't do than you can. Maryland has become a full blown police state.

The Free State has finally died.

 

[DC-W]

When gun control groups and politicians push this stuff in support of police

 

[BeoBill]

If that's true it begs the question why the hell maryland is even bothering in the first place if it's just going to become a federal issue.

It's so Frosh and his MGA stooges can tell Bloomberg "Look at me! I did it first! Give me MOAR MONEY!!!!"

 

[Slackdaddy]

A few years ago there was legislation introduced that would:
-Criminalize the possession of a longgun with a pistol grip or thumbhole stock.

The legislature has since the FSA2013 tried to:
-Criminalize the possession of magazines over 10rds
-Criminalize the possession of HBAR rifles
-Criminalize the possession of .300 BLK AR15s
- Require a Long Gun Qualification License for acquiring long guns

They did manage to criminalize the possession of “rapid fire trigger activators” and the private transfers of long guns.