SB387 "Public Safety - Untraceable Firearms" - The Ban on Private Firearm Making

[elwojo]

Amendments in the Senate JPR Committee:

* Correcting for 1968 date to be October 22, 1968.
* Mens rae required in that you would have to know that the firearm is unserialized - not that serialization is required.
* Pushing from January 1 to March 1, 2023 for possession onset.
* Dealer markings refined to not be duplicative markings.
* "Readily completed" is defined as federally compliant (?)

 

[Nickberg500]

They're talking about FFLs not willingly participating in this scheme. Hopefully the committee will listen to reason.

 

[elwojo]

Talking about further amendments, it seems that they want to have the police do the registration rather than the FFL. They want you to go to an FFL, imprint a serial number, and then act like you are buying the gun from the FFL with a 77R.

That has been adopted in the Senate in the time it took me to type this.

Now talking about moving it to 2 years vs 3 years.

 

[stricer555]

So it sounds like they dropped the FFL number for the serial number but now we have to register them with the MSP?

Edit: If the number has to be unique and engraved before registering with the MSP how do you know what a unique number is without a list of all numbers already used?

 

[mac1_131]

Anything that conflicts it with the house version is good.

 

[elwojo]

Anything that conflicts it with the house version is good.

They've already adopted at least 2 amendments.

The first one (detailed in my post above) is not consequential in any manner.

The MSP amendment is absolutely going to be tough to reconcile.

 

[Stoveman]

Who is the white guy with the beard and blue tie that is doing much of the speaking?

 

[hodgepodge]

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Not you guys. The proponents. And this guy.

 

[elwojo]

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Not you guys. The proponents. And this guy.

He called himself out for it. I think he's reading this for the first time in real time...

 

[mvee]

Are they cutting the mic?

 

[stricer555]

Haha guess they didn't want to discuss everybody going to jail live

 

[hodgepodge]

You can see how well-thought-out this piece of crap is.

 

[Patattack88]

Gramps is a criminal!!!!

 

[elwojo]

I'm not a legal expert, but: if I make a postcard that says "this is an incomplete firearm receiver", and then I send it to a Senator, would there potentially be a possession charge on their part for possessing that advertised incomplete receiver?

 

[kdmag88]

Doesn't make hobbyists criminals? That's all this bill does!

 

[Stoveman]

The mic cutting in and out is annoying AF.

 

[elwojo]

There is no way that the bill they are Frankensteining together right now will be anywhere near legally good.

 

[kdmag88]

So much for the public transparency... just pick and choose what we see.

 

[Stoveman]

Gramps is a criminal!!!!

Gramps gives zero fvcks.

 

[stricer555]

"He can make his pitch to the judge"

Commie ass b****