SB387 "Public Safety - Untraceable Firearms" - The Ban on Private Firearm Making

[rob b]

when does the MGA end its reign of terror

 

[Rabu Rabu]

The wording used during the hearing was not conclusive, but in no way is this "self registration through an online portal".

What they described was:
1) Pay an FFL to serialize a receiver with a unique serial number
2) Fill out a 77R with that new serial number
3) (Implied) Pay 77R fee
4) (Implied) Wait 8 days - because all 77Rs have a wait
5) (Implied) Pick it up

They used "77R" in the committee hearing. And they wanted to do this because FFLs wouldn't comply with the previous proposed rule, so they want to take liability away from the FFL. With the liability removed, this becomes a police run registration of "ghost guns", which is what they want: the ability to take a gun recovered at a crime and ask someone "where did this go". Now, what kind of idiot is going to use a serialized firearm that can be traced back to them? Lol.

Ok, and I'll go out on a limb and assume nobody asked about pre 2013 built ban rifles. How are the state police going ti handle a banned by name firearm with a 77r date of 2022?

 

[Squaregrouper]

when does the MGA end its reign of terror

It doesn’t.

.

 

[ironpony]

I don’t mean anything by this but FFLs come out pretty well on this one: engraving and those who say screw it I’ll buy the regular way (fully bent over).

How’s that bill doing that one does not need the classes to apply for ccw.

No I’ll intent meant.

 

[DC-W]

The House is scheduled to vote on HB425 tomorrow. They moved it to third reading as introduced. Supposing they pass it as is, that will likely have the Senate amend it to match their amendments to SB387. Further supposing the Senate passes SB387 and HB425 as amended, both would go over to the House. If the House doesn't accept, there would have to be a conference committee.

 

[Jakers07]

I just wanted to personally thank everyone who called, wrote, testified, and fought this piece of trash legislation. We'll all hang together, or we'll all hang separately. God bless all of our patriots.

So much THIS

Thank you fellow patriots

 

[Jakers07]

I didn't put my skin on the line testifying, emailing, and calling, to the point of borderline *harassing* Senator Lee's office, for us to give up here. They know everything about me down to my blood type!!! I AM NOT GIVING UP THIS FIGHT.

I will do anything with this community to get his attention for a veto, I don't care if that means paying for advertising that says "call this number".

No more defeatism until it gets to his desk. Spread the word to every inch of this forum over the next few weeks, our best, and only remaining plan, is to get a veto from Hogan.

I would gladly contribute to an advertising campaign

 

[Patattack88]

Lopezes office emailed me back its the same list that nickberg500 got from lees office that he already went through. I bet the question was do you engrave firearms with out asking about engraving serial numbers. So this 1/3 with dealers engraving numbers is a “big lie” a term the like to use.

 

[Bertfish]

Lopezes office emailed me back its the same list that nickberg500 got from lees office that he already went through. I bet the question was do you engrave firearms with out asking about engraving serial numbers. So this 1/3 with dealers engraving numbers is a “big lie” a term the like to use.

Call them out. Ask them what question specifically was asked.

 

[Patattack88]

Email sent i ask what was the question that was asked.

 

[stricer555]

The wording used during the hearing was not conclusive, but in no way is this "self registration through an online portal".

What they described was:
1) Pay an FFL to serialize a receiver with a unique serial number
2) Fill out a 77R with that new serial number
3) (Implied) Pay 77R fee
4) (Implied) Wait 8 days - because all 77Rs have a wait
5) (Implied) Pick it up

They used "77R" in the committee hearing. And they wanted to do this because FFLs wouldn't comply with the previous proposed rule, so they want to take liability away from the FFL. With the liability removed, this becomes a police run registration of "ghost guns", which is what they want: the ability to take a gun recovered at a crime and ask someone "where did this go". Now, what kind of idiot is going to use a serialized firearm that can be traced back to them? Lol.

Would this require someone have an HQL to get their gun back?

 

[Bountied]

Would this require someone have an HQL to get their gun back?

Yup...

 

[jokie]

Would this require someone have an HQL to get their gun back?

I would think so as the first blank in the 77R form is asking for your HQL

 

[DC-W]

Caveat: the bill in its amended form is not yet available for analysis.

 

[Collector98]

Caveat: the bill in its amended form is not yet available for analysis.

When will it be available?

 

[Nickberg500]

Email sent i ask what was the question that was asked.

It might seem like useless info at this point with the Senate bill Amendment, but anything can change at a moment's notice. For all we know Lopez doubles down and insists the FFL requirement stays.

Even better, the VA FFL claimed they would sue her if there's public documentation lying about their shop. They are an SOT though - so the lies would have to be specific to what they are willing to do to a firearm.

 

[cantstop]

I don't have an HQL. I'm not getting a HQL. This violates the taking clause in the MD Constitution.

Of course, I got fvcked with the bump-stock crap, too.

 

[My Toy]

I don't have an HQL. I'm not getting a HQL. This violates the taking clause in the MD Constitution.

Of course, I got fvcked with the bump-stock crap, too.

In addition to those people who don't have an HQL (and don't intend to get one) what about those that may have already engraved the small metal plate on an 80% with their own number or marking for identification purposes in the event of theft. Are they double f*cked.

FJB

 

[DC-W]

When will it be available?

When the bill hits the floor. Could be tomorrow or next week. Agendas are still updating on the legislature's website.

You can see this notice that it was given "FWA" or Favorable with Amendment.
https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/meeting_material/2022/jpr - 132913492285413037 - Voting List 3-9.pdf

 

[RRomig]

I wouldn’t rush out to get an hql just yet. This seems to be a Very fluid situation