SB387 "Public Safety - Untraceable Firearms" - The Ban on Private Firearm Making

[PowPow]

SB387 is on the agenda for tomorrow (3/11) on the Senate floor. Reported favorable with amendments, as we know. It says there are 9 amendments. (They aren't up yet.)

 

[Abagnale]

Assume the position....

 

[RRomig]

Well buying an AR lower does require a 77R, because a lower can be made into a pistol, which is regulated. A complete AR rifle does not because it is a rifle and the lower can't be used in a pistol in the future.

Only 223/556 lowers go through the 77r because they can be built into a banned long gun not because they can be built into a pistol. If that were the case all AR 15/10 lowers would have to go through the 77r and they don’t.

 

[BurkeM]

In addition to those people who don't have an HQL (and don't intend to get one) what about those that may have already engraved the small metal plate on an 80% with their own number or marking for identification purposes in the event of theft. Are they double f*cked.

FJB

Don’t get an HQL.

Go ahead and get your Handgun Permit ASAP.

Once that’s approved, you can then ask for (and receive) the HQL for free.

 

[BurkeM]

They wanted to pass this bill in some form because ghost guns are "everywhere". So they changed very little in actual content of the bill.

To me, it seems like they made the bill more pragmatic and harder to attack in the courts, and they all voted for it except one.

This has hardened my resolve in considering myself a complete idiot for staying in Maryland this long.

Don’t abandon hope. They may not be able to reconcile the two versions (House vs Senate) before the session is over.

If it does pass, remember to donate some $$$ to MSI and FPC, so that a lawsuit might be mounted to challenge their foolish and unenforceable statute.

 

[BurkeM]

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[cantstop]

Don’t get an HQL.

Go ahead and get your Handgun Permit ASAP.

Once that’s approved, you can then ask for (and receive) the HQL for free.

Are you serious? What magic "good and substantial" reason gets me being a retired non ex-LEO a carry permit in MD?

 

[teratos]

Don’t get an HQL.

Go ahead and get your Handgun Permit ASAP.

Once that’s approved, you can then ask for (and receive) the HQL for free.

Gonna tell him to put **** on a bull if that doesn’t work?

 

[elwojo]

Only 223/556 lowers go through the 77r because they can be built into a banned long gun not because they can be built into a pistol. If that were the case all AR 15/10 lowers would have to go through the 77r and they don’t.

AR-10s and AR-15s can both be built into banned long gun copycat configurations (i.e. 2 of folding stock, flash hider, grenade launcher) and both can be built into pistols.

MSP has no reasonable, lawful logic behind their position on requiring 77Rs with AR-15 lowers. The only unintentional good of it is that you can use an AR-15 lower to bypass the HQL training requirement.

 

[Nickberg500]

AR-10s and AR-15s can both be built into banned long gun copycat configurations (i.e. 2 of folding stock, flash hider, grenade launcher) and both can be built into pistols.



MSP has no reasonable, lawful logic behind their position on requiring 77Rs with AR-15 lowers. The only unintentional good of it is that you can use an AR-15 lower to bypass the HQL training requirement.

It's inconsistent, luckily. 77r isn't required for AR-10s or AR-9s. I had to fight a very green FFL to challenge the MSP when they were saying otherwise - still the case as of 2021.

 

[pcfixer]

Just called delegate Cox office. They said a good chance these two bills do not get a vote today or to Governor's office.


https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2022RS/bills/hb/hb0425f.pdf

 

[elwojo]

Just called delegate Cox office. They said a good chance these two bills do not get a vote today or to Governor's office.


https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2022RS/bills/hb/hb0425f.pdf

There's no chance in my opinion. No one has had time to review the Senate version, and the Senate turned down the House's bill. There is no time for reconciliation between them.

Unfortunately, I think that the Senate version has enough bipartisan buy-in to get passed.

I just don't think that people have looked at this in terms of "what problems do we want to solve".

1. Kids are buying Poly80s and building them.
2. Criminals are buying Poly80s and selling them

The list shouldn't include "someone built a rifle in 1997 using a machine press and welder", "someone milled out an AR-15 lower", "someone made a revolver from a kit in 1969".

The majority of the problem would be stopped by banning the sale of anything greater than 0% receivers in Maryland. No more kids buying them at home. No more criminals buying them in Maryland. And without federal regulations, this is the same solution that would happen with the current law for criminals.

The fact that we're fighting to not go to jail for building homemade firearms without serialization is f-ing disgraceful.

 

[trickg]

So what does this mean? Does this mean that we won for now and that these bills won't get voted on and passed at all?

 

[Bertfish]

So what does this mean? Does this mean that we won for now and that these bills won't get voted on and passed at all?

Absolutely not

Both bills are alive. They differ in text though. If passed they must be made to agree on language before going to the Governor

 

[DC-W]

So what does this mean? Does this mean that we won for now and that these bills won't get voted on and passed at all?

As wonderful as that'd be, that's not the case. Sine Die is 30 days from now.
Passage today to the governor's desk only avoids the possibility of him sustaining a veto (if he chose to do so).

 

[trickg]

Absolutely not

Both bills are alive. They differ in text though. If passed they must be made to agree on language before going to the Governor

So what we need is a veto, but I don't see that as being likely to happen.

 

[Bertfish]

So what we need is a veto, but I don't see that as being likely to happen.

Or the chambers to refuse to agree to rectify the language differences

The House has done this before. It happens sometimes.

Senate hasn't passed their version yet. Just came out of committee.

 

[Abagnale]

So what does this mean? Does this mean that we won for now and that these bills won't get voted on and passed at all?

LOL!

 

[ironpony]

Can we get them to show us their approved version of the entire process including their serial number idea? Have them go through the hoops first?

 

[Abagnale]

Can we get them to show us their approved version of the entire process including their serial number idea? Have them go through the hoops first?

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