SB387 "Public Safety - Untraceable Firearms" - The Ban on Private Firearm Making

[Rabu Rabu]

You aren't getting out of this with no law. If the Senate version removes the Possession part, you've got a good chance of a narrowly tailored law that only impacts future conduct. That's a good law compared to the usual "assume the position".

Agreed, and what we're looking at federally, we're going to lose the right regardless, win or lose here.

 

[elwojo]

HB 425 passes the House.

 

[PumpkinScissors]

Welp, there it is.

 

[DC-W]

Here are the unofficial rolls.

 

[rbird7282]

There's no chance in my opinion. No one has had time to review the Senate version, and the Senate turned down the House's bill. There is no time for reconciliation between them.

Unfortunately, I think that the Senate version has enough bipartisan buy-in to get passed.

I just don't think that people have looked at this in terms of "what problems do we want to solve".

1. Kids are buying Poly80s and building them.
2. Criminals are buying Poly80s and selling them

The list shouldn't include "someone built a rifle in 1997 using a machine press and welder", "someone milled out an AR-15 lower", "someone made a revolver from a kit in 1969".

The majority of the problem would be stopped by banning the sale of anything greater than 0% receivers in Maryland. No more kids buying them at home. No more criminals buying them in Maryland. And without federal regulations, this is the same solution that would happen with the current law for criminals.

The fact that we're fighting to not go to jail for building homemade firearms without serialization is f-ing disgraceful.

They’re not trying to solve problems, they’re trying to make people think they’re solving problems while restricting law abiding gun owners at every turn. F them.


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[elwojo]

I am entirely disappointed that lies in the House were not called out and that these lies will get regular citizens imprisoned if this bill is passed as law.

 

[Stoveman]

Don’t abandon hope. They may not be able to reconcile the two versions (House vs Senate) before the session is over.



If it does pass, remember to donate some $$$ to MSI and FPC, so that a lawsuit can be filed to challenge their foolish and unenforceable statute.

If it was the intent of MSI to litigate all along why did they help polish this turd? Are they going to guarantee that enactment and enforcement will be delayed for the 4-5 years that it takes to work through the court system?

What they have done is put the notion in people like Hough's head that we are just fine with this gun control and now the Senate bill has "bi-partisan" support.



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[JTH20]

I've watched enough of the legislative sessions and read enough about this to know that Rs and Ds are going to do something. I'd like to make it so they do the best they can to logically solve a problem without completely f-ing every past and future gun hobbyist in the state.

Just to be clear:
Police want something done about this.
Sheriffs want something done about this.
Mayors and County Executives want something done about this.
The Attorney General wants something done about this.
States Attorneys want something done about this.
Democrat legislators want something done about this.
Republican legislators want something done about this.

All of the above have spoken in support of a ghost gun ban.

You aren't getting out of this with no law. If the Senate version removes the Possession part, you've got a good chance of a narrowly tailored law that only impacts future conduct. That's a good law compared to the usual "assume the position".

You could have just written Bloomberg wants it.

 

[whistlersmother]

They’re not trying to solve problems, they’re trying to make people think they’re solving problems while restricting law abiding gun owners at every turn. F them.


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This.

The MGA, and most politicians, don't want to actually solve the problem.

A good start would be to keep violent criminals locked up for a very long time, away from civilized society.

But its easier to restrict peaceful, law-abiding people.

 

[teratos]

If it was the intent of MSI to litigate all along why did they help polish this turd? Are they going to guarantee that enactment and enforcement will be delayed for the 4-5 years that it takes to work through the court system?

Maybe it was covered in the secret meetings....

 

[rbird7282]

This.

The MGA, and most politicians, don't want to actually solve the problem.

A good start would be to keep violent criminals locked up for a very long time, away from civilized society.

But its easier to restrict peaceful, law-abiding people.

And the sad fact is that they continually refuse to pass laws with tougher sentences (including mandatory minimums) for crimes committed with a gun. These refuse this EVERY YEAR.
Lousy prosecutors and judges don’t help either.


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[teratos]

And the sad fact is that they continually refuse to pass laws with tougher sentences (including mandatory minimums) for crimes committed with a gun. These refuse this EVERY YEAR.
Lousy prosecutors and judges don’t help either.

The ease with which they make good people criminals for activities with no criminal intent is disgusting. An arrest on a gun charge will ruin your life in many respects. At the same time, the people who are the problem walk away from crimes again, and again.


#IWNC

 

[trickg]

I hate to say, "I told you so," but I told you so.

I knew that this travesty was going to get hammered through, just like FSA2013. For those who say we got FSA2013 changed enough, it still happened, and it's still a huge infringement on our rights. This one is yet one more travesty on our rights.

I can't wait to get out of this state. Ugh - I can't believe I've lived here this long.

 

[elwojo]

I hate to say, "I told you so," but I told you so.

I knew that this travesty was going to get hammered through, just like FSA2013. For those who say we got FSA2013 changed enough, it still happened, and it's still a huge infringement on our rights. This one is yet one more travesty on our rights.

I can't wait to get out of this state. Ugh - I can't believe I've lived here this long.

I used to be okay living here. I'm kind of sick of being kicked while I'm down.

 

[Atlasarmory]

Even "if" Larry were to veto it do they have the votes to override a veto ?

 

[RRomig]

AR-10s and AR-15s can both be built into banned long gun copycat configurations (i.e. 2 of folding stock, flash hider, grenade launcher) and both can be built into pistols.

MSP has no reasonable, lawful logic behind their position on requiring 77Rs with AR-15 lowers. The only unintentional good of it is that you can use an AR-15 lower to bypass the HQL training requirement.

I just added the correct answer per MDS. I didn’t say it was logical. That’s too big of a hill to climb.

 

[Mack C-85]

And the sad fact is that they continually refuse to pass laws with tougher sentences (including mandatory minimums) for crimes committed with a gun. These refuse this EVERY YEAR.
Lousy prosecutors and judges don’t help either.


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Look at the Racial make up of the criminals committing these crimes and you will have your answer on why tougher sentences will NEVER happen. While I try to be blind to these qualities in my life, sometimes it's too obvious to ignore.

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[GuitarmanNick]

Surprise, surprise! Those that comply with any unconstitutional attempts to usurp freedom should be cancelled! Politicians that support such efforts, should be tarred and feathered!

 

[trickg]

Even "if" Larry were to veto it do they have the votes to override a veto ?

There's no way that Fat Larry is going to veto a bill that has already been labeled as being bipartisan.

 

[elwojo]

Even "if" Larry were to veto it do they have the votes to override a veto ?

The below is as I understand it, mostly gleaned from DC-W and random reading:

If Larry wants to veto it, he can wait 30 days and then veto it. By then, Maryland's legislature will no longer be in session. This is all predicated on it not hitting his desk today - which I think is a certainty at this point. Because of this, they won't be able to override the veto unless a special session is declared. It is unlikely that a special session will be declared solely for this because that will stop all election fundraising for that period of time, and it is an important election year - gubernatorial election and all.

Next year, they will have to start the bill from scratch as a new legislature cannot consider vetoes from the previous legislature.