SB387 "Public Safety - Untraceable Firearms" - The Ban on Private Firearm Making

[DC-W]

One version says pre-1968 guns are ok but ignores the guns actually made in 1968, another version gives the exact date in 1968 the GCA became effective.

The Senate came this close to getting the date right. SB387 was amended to affect guns made from October 22, 1968 onward. That's the day the Gun Control Act was signed, but not the day it became effective. That was December 16, 1968.

 

[dblas]

DA? Maybe not. But you'd better believe the MD AG's office would be all over you to make an example of you.

When was the last time you saw the MDAG get involved in a local arrest? Talk about BGOS?

 

[cantstop]

MD Shooters has an acronym list here:
https://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?t=122422

 

[rbird7282]

DA? Maybe not. But you'd better believe the MD AG's office would be all over you to make an example of you.

Sorry but if the AG’s office made a habit of it, you would hear stories of it on the local news.
As much I hate Frosh and his anti-gun policies in every way, shape, and form, he has better things to do than to search out and prosecute cases like this.
Basically if you get caught doing something else illegal they may add on additional charges.
Of course they’ll usually drop them later during the plea bargain, especially for repeat offenders.
Point is that nobody will be kicking down your door unless you’ve done something else to warrant attention from law enforcement. (Obviously there are a few exceptions)


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[Nickberg500]

There is not a county that doesn't do this: https://mdcourts.gov/district/ERPO
Some more than others in regards to their population, but they all perform them.
https://www.mdcourts.gov/sites/default/files/import/district/statistics/2018/ERPO_Q42018.pdf
https://www.mdcourts.gov/sites/default/files/import/district/statistics/2019/Fiscal_2019.pdf
https://mdcourts.gov/sites/default/files/import/district/statistics/2019/ERPO_2019.pdf
https://www.courts.state.md.us/sites/default/files/import/district/statistics/2020/ERPO_2020.pdf
https://www.mdcourts.gov/sites/default/files/import/district/statistics/ERPO_2021.pdf

My point is that gun control laws will be enforced regardless of where one is.

I've been meaning to look more into this.

Do we know if those ERPOs were done by MSP, or local police? If it's local police in any of the "2A sanctuaries", then the respective county commissioners *should* be holding them accountable...

 

[ironpony]

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Of course they’ll usually drop them later during the plea bargain, especially for repeat offenders.


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Not directly to you bird and,


No offense meant and I could be wrong but if one were to apply the “follow the money “theory to this bill there is only one group who may benefit from this law.

Thanks to everyone helping to fight this bill guy.

 

[rbird7282]

I've been meaning to look more into this.

Do we know if those ERPOs were done by MSP, or local police? If it's local police in any of the "2A sanctuaries", then the respective county commissioners *should* be holding them accountable...

I’d be shocked if MSP served any of them. Every county in MD has served them including “2A sanctuary” counties like Carroll.


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[DC-W]

It’s local police.

 

[dblas]

I've been meaning to look more into this.

Do we know if those ERPOs were done by MSP, or local police? If it's local police in any of the "2A sanctuaries", then the respective county commissioners *should* be holding them accountable...

All of them were done by local/county LE, and You bet your ass every "2A Sanctuary County" has done it. You can also bet your ass that absolutely no county official has stepped up and called out LE at all for serving ERPOs. Hell even the "Pro 2A" Sheriffs that "support" us in Annapolis have all had their respective departments serve ERPOs.

 

[lazarus]

Sorry but if the AG’s office made a habit of it, you would hear stories of it on the local news.
As much I hate Frosh and his anti-gun policies in every way, shape, and form, he has better things to do than to search out and prosecute cases like this.
Basically if you get caught doing something else illegal they may add on additional charges.
Of course they’ll usually drop them later during the plea bargain, especially for repeat offenders.
Point is that nobody will be kicking down your door unless you’ve done something else to warrant attention from law enforcement. (Obviously there are a few exceptions)


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An ERPO is the most likely scenario where someone might get “caught” and get charges whilst not actually doing anything criminal. Of course it’s possible police might search your vehicle for some made up cause (happens a lot).

But kicking down your? No. Probably don’t want to be taking any non-complying firearms anywhere. And certainly want to stay on excellent terms with any family or in-laws or significant others (or anyone if MDLEG expands who can call an ERPO).

 

[outrider58]

An ERPO is the most likely scenario where someone might get “caught” and get charges whilst not actually doing anything criminal. Of course it’s possible police might search your vehicle for some made up cause (happens a lot).

But kicking down your? No. Probably don’t want to be taking any non-complying firearms anywhere. And certainly want to stay on excellent terms with any family or in-laws or significant others (or anyone if MDLEG expands who can call an ERPO).

https://mdcourts.gov/district/ERPO#cannot

 

[hammer67]

An ERPO is the most likely scenario where someone might get “caught” and get charges whilst not actually doing anything criminal. Of course it’s possible police might search your vehicle for some made up cause (happens a lot).

But kicking down your? No. Probably don’t want to be taking any non-complying firearms anywhere. And certainly want to stay on excellent terms with any family or in-laws or significant others (or anyone if MDLEG expands who can call an ERPO).

Yeah, remember ATF recently had that valentines day ad about turning in your ex for illegal guns. Keep that in mind if you are divorced or split with significant other on bad terms recently or after (if) this goes into effect.

 

[whistlersmother]

Has anyone who has been served by ERPO gotten their guns back when it expired... without the police giving the person major grief and delay?

 

[Abagnale]

Has anyone who has been served by ERPO gotten their guns back when it expired... without the police giving the person major grief and delay?

From the cases I've heard about not without hiring an attorney and spending 10's of thousands of dollars.

 

[babalou]

nice

From the cases I've heard about not without hiring an attorney and spending 10's of thousands of dollars.

isn't it great to pay to have stuff illegally taken from you given back?

 

[lazarus]

From the cases I've heard about not without hiring an attorney and spending 10's of thousands of dollars.

I’ve heard mixed things. The easier cases are when the person has had records showing they owned the firearms. Otherwise the police end up being asses and asking for proof sometimes that the guns they took from you are actually yours…

Usually it’s been cases where it’s regulated firearms that predate MSP having records that the firearm was ever transferred to you that they end up acting like cock gobblers about it.

One more reason to try to make sure you have good records about the firearms you own.

 

[elwojo]

I see that SB387 has a House Judiciary Committee meeting on 3/23. Is this the same as the normal committee hearings - where you can submit testimony about the bill? I don't see it listed in the normal "Witness Signup" section of myMGA.

 

[rbird7282]

From the cases I've heard about not without hiring an attorney and spending 10's of thousands of dollars.

From ERPO’s? Or are you talking about other instances where police have taken guns from a home?


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[PowPow]

I see that SB387 has a House Judiciary Committee meeting on 3/23. Is this the same as the normal committee hearings - where you can submit testimony about the bill? I don't see it listed in the normal "Witness Signup" section of myMGA.

No. It's where the sponsor of the bill from the opposite chamber briefs them on their version. Under normal circumstances, the public could attend these in person. They normally qualify the briefing as "Sponsor-only Testimony", which does limit who can testify. However, this does not prevent you from contacting and/or meeting with members of Judiciary outside of the hearing.

 

[whistlersmother]

From ERPO’s? Or are you talking about other instances where police have taken guns from a home?


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Served with ERPO only.