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MOLON LABE
Which is a major problem for gun owners and dealers. This is the kind of crap that leads to feel good legislation.
WBAL - State Police Ask For Patience In Gun Application Bottleneck
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Which is a major problem for gun owners and dealers. This is the kind of crap that leads to feel good legislation.
hollyb1
Active Member
Didn't a similiar situtation lead to our current system? I believe at one point Dealers recieved the NICS number and then waited for the not-disapproved message from the state police, when the 7-day wait period expired Dealers were legally releasing firearms, then when MDSP realized 6 weeks later the application was Disapproved they were on the hook for collecting the firearm. I thought a big stink over that led to MDSP being the NICS poc for regulated firearms in MD?
2AHokie
Active Member
I disagree. I've heard the explanation, but I don't agree with it.
The NICS system is an automatic greenlight if you don't hear anything bad within 3 days of contacting NICS (or MSP since MD is a POC state). It is specifically designed so that a lack of response cannot result in arbitrary delays (exactly what is happening in MD right now). As long as the FFL can prove they contacted MSP (or NICS, depending on the firearm being sold) then I believe they are good to go.
My opinion is that FFLs in this state want to cooperate with the MSP and they want to pretend like they have no choice because they don't want any consumer backlash for contributing to the delay, so they pick this area of the law and use it as a shield.
I am certain that if it were a violation of federal law, the MSP would not be begging for patience from dealers. They would demand patience and threaten to report non-complying dealers to the ATF. MSP probably also wouldn't be ramping up staffing. MSP would do as they please and tell dealers to deal with it because there would be no incentive for them to pick up the pace, but that isn't what happened. I think MSP is ramping up staffing because they know that any dealer could, at any time, decide not to play the game anymore and start releasing firearms on day 8.
Anyone else is free to disagree, but that is how I see it.
Ab_Normal
Ab_member
Here we go again.
This is purely a political statement designed to make the public think that the new gun control measures are the solution to the current problem.
That statement tarnishes the "good-faith" position of MSP regarding this crisis. MSP Brass is showing their true colors.
Here we go again.
RIF. But then again, SEARCH should be also.
This should not be our problem!
The MSP leadership testifies before the legislature for the MD anti2A spiel.
When has the MSP leadership supported the 2A?
They need to live up to their end, and quit whining!
The MSP leadership testifies before the legislature for the MD anti2A spiel.
When has the MSP leadership supported the 2A?
They need to live up to their end, and quit whining!
Sure, the results of the article weren't deliberately seeking to have the gun community split over whether the FFLs were withholding guns from their customers or if it is the MSP. Sucks to wait, sucks to be jammed up in the rush on guns and ammo, sucks even more to fight this proposed legislation. It's life, it's also peoples' livelihoods that are being scrutinized. The same people that would lose business because probably 80% would buy out of state if an ammo tax of 15% > was raised by the state.
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MOLON LABE
I couldn't agree more.
Yes: it's not their fault they're underfunded, but they have religiously supported every piece of legislation that has lead to this problem.
highwayheat
highwayheat
The 7 day waiting period is foolish to begin with. I have to wait 7+ days for a pistol or a "regulared AR-15" but my "non-regulated Hbar AR-15" was cash and carry. The NICS check was completed with authorization number in approx 5 minutes. So is MD saying that it doesn't use the same databases as NICS? The reasoning between 7 days and cash and carry does not hold water.
Ab_Normal
Ab_member
Well tell this to White Marsh Arms so i can get my gun!
They will stick to their guns (so to speak
) whether you can prove otherwise or not.I have respectfully debated some of the finer aspects of the law with them in the past and told I was wrong only to have the atf later clarify that what I was saying was correct - this was in regards to assembling ar lowers into pistols as well as whether or not a handgun could be configured into a rifle and then back into a handgun.
2AHokie
Active Member
Well tell this to White Marsh Arms so i can get my gun!
Ultimately any private business can do as they see fit. That's their right and I wouldn't want to see it infringed.
I would like to see some dealers group up and tell MSP to get their act together or they're going to start releasing on time, but it's not my call to make.
I'm from VA and VA doesn't have this problem so I just don't have much patience for it. There's not much else to do about it other than complain about it here.
Ab_Normal
Ab_member
You are correct.
They are not underfunded. $10 PER APP FOR DECADES is more than enough to fund this program. In addition MD qualified for a Federal $300,000 grant to improve the system. But aside of that, last year they processed some 40+K apps, that is $400,000 in revenue from the apps alone without state funding. You are telling me that you could not hire 10 administrative assistants for $40k a year each??????
I am really SICK AND TIRED of anybody defending the situation. The MSP leadership CHOOSES not to properly staff the department. If they have 40+K APPS backlogged just from this year alone right now they also have some $400k in application fees. It is a choice, nothing more nothing less. I am not blaming the processors but the MSP IS GUILTY OF DRAGGING THEIR FEET.
My opinion is that FFLs in this state want to cooperate with the MSP and they want to pretend like they have no choice because they don't want any consumer backlash for contributing to the delay, so they pick this area of the law and use it as a shield.
I am certain that if it were a violation of federal law, the MSP would not be begging for patience from dealers. They would demand patience and threaten to report non-complying dealers to the ATF. MSP probably also wouldn't be ramping up staffing. MSP would do as they please and tell dealers to deal with it because there would be no incentive for them to pick up the pace, but that isn't what happened. I think MSP is ramping up staffing because they know that any dealer could, at any time, decide not to play the game anymore and start releasing firearms on day 8.
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I agree
