What is an H Barrel in Maryland?

[linkstate]

Hope you’re not serious? If FSA 2013 ever gets amended, it ain’t gonna be because of anything that the antis read on MDShooters. (See above.)

You may be right, but I was serious.

 

[outrider58]

Alright, but considering that they already attempted to ban HBARs four years ago (long before I ever knew that I’d be moving to this God-forsaken liberal state), not really sure how reading my post makes a difference one way or the other. I don’t see how I’m telling them anything that they don’t already know.

Not to mention, I am sure that MGA staffers have made undercover trips to local FFLs and found themselves dismayed by all of the tactical-style rifles that they see on sale.

I'm not blaming you, but I liken this to the brace rule changes that have gone back and forth for the last few years. YouTubers could not help themselves and now here were are with that. I hope you understand what I'm referring to.

 

[MattFinals718]

I'm not blaming you, but I liken this to the brace rule changes that have gone back and forth for the last few years. YouTubers could not help themselves and now here were are with that. I hope you understand what I'm referring to.

I have to admit that I don’t.

 

[outrider58]

I have to admit that I don’t.

Some time after the birth of the fist Sig Brace, people began making YouTubes espousing their use as a legal workaround to avoid the NFA with regard to SBR(short barrel rifles). They allowed people to have an 'instant' SBR without going through the time and expense of building/buying/registering an SBR. Well, the ATF was having none of this.

Eventually, the ATF came out with a letter advising that it was not legal to shoulder the so called braces. That became the "law" of the land for a while. The YouTubers as well as TV shows backed off form shouldering in their content. Then all the hoopla from manufacturers as well as the citizenry came along.

Then came the "reversal" by the ATF, I believe by a new director(new director-new policy). The gist of which said, it was no longer 'illegal' if the brace(s) made contact with the shoulder in its use, but it was still not to be used as a rifle stock. Here's where we hanged ourselves. People seemed to hear the first part but ignored the second part and the YouTubers and TV shows went back to saying it was again legal to shoulder pistol braces, when actually, that was not what the ATF said. Something had to be done...

That brings us to where we are now. After many trials and failures, the ATF finally came up with a workable plan to finally put the pistol brace question to bed. You could either register your braced pistols during a grace period (ending 31 May 2023) and you would be granted a free registration and stamp for your braced guns or, remove the brace(s) and continue to use the guns as pistols, no shouldering allowed.

If people could have just shut their mouths and lived with the second 'clarification', all would have been good. But no YouTubers had to YouTube, forcing the ATF to flex its muscular might and we got smacked down.

That's the short version as I recall it.

 

[MattFinals718]

Some time after the birth of the fist Sig Brace, people began making YouTubes espousing their use as a legal workaround to avoid the NFA with regard to SBR(short barrel rifles). They allowed people to have an 'instant' SBR without going through the time and expense of building/buying/registering an SBR. Well, the ATF was having none of this.

Eventually, the ATF came out with a letter advising that it was not legal to shoulder the so called braces. That became the "law" of the land for a while. The YouTubers as well as TV shows backed off form shouldering in their content. Then all the hoopla from manufacturers as well as the citizenry came along.

Then came the "reversal" by the ATF, I believe by a new director(new director-new policy). The gist of which said, it was no longer 'illegal' if the brace(s) made contact with the shoulder in its use, but it was still not to be used as a rifle stock. Here's where we hanged ourselves. People seemed to hear the first part but ignored the second part and the YouTubers and TV shows went back to saying it was again legal to shoulder pistol braces, when actually, that was not what the ATF said. Something had to be done...

That brings us to where we are now. After many trials and failures, the ATF finally came up with a workable plan to finally put the pistol brace question to bed. You could either register your braced pistols during a grace period (ending 31 May 2023) and you would be granted a free registration and stamp for your braced guns or, remove the brace(s) and continue to use the guns as pistols, no shouldering allowed.

If people could have just shut their mouths and lived with the second 'clarification', all would have been good. But no YouTubers had to YouTube, forcing the ATF to flex its muscular might and we got smacked down.

That's the short version as I recall it.

Most of this history is familiar to me, except the part about YouTubers being such a significant influence on ATF's decision to issue the pistol brace rule. I'll at least admit that seeing folks such as Colion Noir and GarandThumb saying that their braced AR pistols were "essentially rifles" always used to make me wince, and I'm aware that DOJ has apparently been watching gun YouTubers for "promoting extremism" or whatever (Mr. GunsNGear had a video about that months ago).

Anyway: I don't see that situation as analogous to what we're talking about in this topic, nor do I really see how talking about the nonsensical aspects of FSA 2013 means that I'm doing us any particular harm. By your logic, none of our members should ever post pics of their MD-compliant AR-15 builds here (which many of us have done, myself included), and local FFLs should be hiding all of their tactical rifles in secret basement vaults that are not visible to anyone coming into their shops off the streets. We can't exactly hide that FSA 2013 is an AWB that has no teeth, and MGA has had 10 years now to figure that out.

 

[widderic]

This thread has been about as pointless as the "hbar" ban itself lol. Let's say you go "screw it" and use a non Hbar barrel. What are the chances you are getting caught with that when you only use it at the local outdoor range?

Would I need to get into a drunk driving accident to get them to look at the barrel?

 

[Coehorn]

The necro threads need love too.

 

[rseymorejr]

This thread has been about as pointless as the "hbar" ban itself lol. Let's say you go "screw it" and use a non Hbar barrel. What are the chances you are getting caught with that when you only use it at the local outdoor range?

Would I need to get into a drunk driving accident to get them to look at the barrel?

If you're at the point where a cop is pulling your handguard off and pulling out his calipers you were already screwed.

 

[Coehorn]

If you're at the point where a cop is pulling your handguard off and pulling out his calipers you were already screwed.

And I still don't think there's a magic number.

 

[rseymorejr]

And I still don't think there's a magic number.

They know it when they see it

 

[widderic]

Hahaha this is true.

 

[HRDWRK]

This thread has been about as pointless as the "hbar" ban itself lol. Let's say you go "screw it" and use a non Hbar barrel. What are the chances you are getting caught with that when you only use it at the local outdoor range?

Would I need to get into a drunk driving accident to get them to look at the barrel?

Maybe, just maybe, reviving a 2023 thread is more pointless. Unless your about to work towards that 50 post count and need to sell something.
But that's just me..
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[HRDWRK]

Hahaha this is true.

41 your getting closer..

 

[Boxcab]

41 your getting closer..

Been a member since 2020. Not sure there was a rush to reach 50.

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[BurkeM]

This thread has been about as pointless as the "hbar" ban itself lol. Let's say you go "screw it" and use a non Hbar barrel. What are the chances you are getting caught with that when you only use it at the local outdoor range?

Would I need to get into a drunk driving accident to get them to look at the barrel?

Nobody has been arrested or prosecuted since 1 Oct 2013 for possessing a 'banned' rifle, to my knowledge.

Even if you did an armed robbery with a stolen AK or AR with a pencil barrel while wearing Crocs, no hardhat in a construction zone, and parking in a Fire Lane facing the wrong way on a one way street- expect to be offered a plea bargain for 2nd Degree Assault, probation before Judgement, and $50 court costs.

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The main impact of FSA 2013 has been the lack of banned rifles in your local FFL.
Black market dealers will sell you ANYTHING.

 

[Growler215]

If you have a dedicated 9mm lower (meaning it is not possible to put a .223 round through the magazine well, a block has been installed or the lower was a dedicated 9mm to start), than you can build any type of 9mm upper, with any barrel type you want.

I've never heard of a requirement to have a dedicated lower that won't accept a .223 round. As far as I know, only the fact that you've attached a non-HBAR 5.56/.223 rifle upper makes the entire rifle banned.

All 30 cals. will be H-bars do to the bullet/barrel diameters required....AFAIK.

Not all .30 cal barrels are HBAR. Faxon makes Gunner profile barrels for .300 BO, 7.62X39, and even 350 Legend. For example, this Faxon 7.62x39 barrel isn't an HBAR:

Faxon Duty Series 16", Gunner, 7.62x39 Russian, Mid-Length, 4150 QPQ Nitride AR-15 Barrel

This 16 inch 7.62x39 barrel is crafted in house from 4150 CMV, button rifled, and given a nitride finish for superior performance and durability.

faxonfirearms.com

The other "work around" to the 5.56/.223 HBAR requirement (beside picking a different caliber) is to build an AR pistol, e.g.with a 14.5" pencil barrel. As long as you have a brace on it, even a stock-like brace like the SBA4, MD considers it a pistol. The ATF disputes that, but are enjoined from enforcing their viewpoint at this time. But even if you SBR it to make ATF happy, as long as you keep the brace on it, MD still considers it a pistol.

 

[BurkeM]

I've never heard of a requirement to have a dedicated lower that won't accept a .223 round. As far as I know, only the fact that you've attached a non-HBAR 5.56/.223 rifle upper makes the entire rifle banned.

FSA 2013 never legally defined the word or meaning of "heavy."

MSP made up rules along the way, like they unlawfully require HQL trainees fire a SINGLE round "to demonstrate proficiency and competence."

https://www.courthousenews.com/fourth-circuit-takes-a-look-back-at-history-in-hearing-over-maryland-handgun-law/

The training course must include at least four hours of instruction by a qualified instructor, and the applicant must fire at least one live round to demonstrate the safe operation and handling of a firearm. After completing the course, applicants have to wait upwards of 30 days for the Maryland State Police to conduct a background check and approve or deny the HQL application.

 

[BurkeM]

This is the rifle that was allowed as an exception to FSA 2013- COLT AR-15 HBAR Sporter.

Colt AR-15A2 HBAR Sporter | Cybershooters

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This is another in our series on the AR-15 rifle. The AR-15A2 was introduced in 1986 when Colt’s started making significant numbers of M16A2s for the US military. The AR-15A2 HBAR (which stands for Heavy Barrel Automatic Rifle) was the first serious attempt at making the AR-15 into a target shooting rifle that could really compete.

In 1989 President Bush banned the import of semi-automatic “assault rifles” into the United States, and feeling the political heat, Colt’s decided to stop making the AR-15 for civilian sales. Colt’s Firearms Division was then sold off and became the Colt’s Manufacturing Company and the AR-15A2 was reintroduced as the Colt “Sporter” rifle, with the bayonet lug removed and the lower receiver and mechanism substantially redesigned to make it harder to illegally convert the rifle to full-auto. In the US these pre-89 rifles are highly sought after by collectors, as it is as close as most Americans can come to owning an M16A2.

SOLD - Colt AR-15 A2 HBAR Sporter

3/27/20 - This is a Colt AR-15 A2 HBAR Sporter, chambered in 5.56/.223. Overall, the rifle is in excellent condition. The are just a few very minor surface scuffs here and there. The gun is fully functional and the action is smooth. It comes with an original Colt 20-round magazine. The stock is...

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FSA 2013-

Ch. 427 2013 LAWS OF MARYLAND
– 22 –
[(p)] (R) “Regulated firearm” means:
(1) a handgun; or
(2) a firearm that is any of the following specific assault weapons or
their copies, regardless of which company produced and manufactured that assault
weapon:
(i) American Arms Spectre da Semiautomatic carbine;
(ii) AK–47 in all forms;
(iii) Algimec AGM–1 type semi–auto;
(iv) AR 100 type semi–auto;
(v) AR 180 type semi–auto;
(vi) Argentine L.S.R. semi–auto;
(vii) Australian Automatic Arms SAR type semi–auto;
(viii) Auto–Ordnance Thompson M1 and 1927 semi–automatics;
(ix) Barrett light .50 cal. semi–auto;
(x) Beretta AR70 type semi–auto;
(xi) Bushmaster semi–auto rifle;
(xii) Calico models M–100 and M–900;
(xiii) CIS SR 88 type semi–auto;
(xiv) Claridge HI TEC C–9 carbines;
(xv) Colt AR–15, CAR–15, and all imitations except Colt AR–15
Sporter H–BAR rifle;

 

[rbird7282]

I've never heard of a requirement to have a dedicated lower that won't accept a .223 round. As far as I know, only the fact that you've attached a non-HBAR 5.56/.223 rifle upper makes the entire rifle banned.


Not all .30 cal barrels are HBAR. Faxon makes Gunner profile barrels for .300 BO, 7.62X39, and even 350 Legend. For example, this Faxon 7.62x39 barrel isn't an HBAR:

Faxon Duty Series 16", Gunner, 7.62x39 Russian, Mid-Length, 4150 QPQ Nitride AR-15 Barrel

This 16 inch 7.62x39 barrel is crafted in house from 4150 CMV, button rifled, and given a nitride finish for superior performance and durability.

faxonfirearms.com

The other "work around" to the 5.56/.223 HBAR requirement (beside picking a different caliber) is to build an AR pistol, e.g.with a 14.5" pencil barrel. As long as you have a brace on it, even a stock-like brace like the SBA4, MD considers it a pistol. The ATF disputes that, but are enjoined from enforcing their viewpoint at this time. But even if you SBR it to make ATF happy, as long as you keep the brace on it, MD still considers it a pistol.

Because there isn't one.

 

[outrider58]

I've never heard of a requirement to have a dedicated lower that won't accept a .223 round. As far as I know, only the fact that you've attached a non-HBAR 5.56/.223 rifle upper makes the entire rifle banned.


Not all .30 cal barrels are HBAR. Faxon makes Gunner profile barrels for .300 BO, 7.62X39, and even 350 Legend. For example, this Faxon 7.62x39 barrel isn't an HBAR:

Faxon Duty Series 16", Gunner, 7.62x39 Russian, Mid-Length, 4150 QPQ Nitride AR-15 Barrel

This 16 inch 7.62x39 barrel is crafted in house from 4150 CMV, button rifled, and given a nitride finish for superior performance and durability.

faxonfirearms.com

The other "work around" to the 5.56/.223 HBAR requirement (beside picking a different caliber) is to build an AR pistol, e.g.with a 14.5" pencil barrel. As long as you have a brace on it, even a stock-like brace like the SBA4, MD considers it a pistol. The ATF disputes that, but are enjoined from enforcing their viewpoint at this time. But even if you SBR it to make ATF happy, as long as you keep the brace on it, MD still considers it a pistol.

A .30 cal barrel can not fire a 5.56/.223 round. It doesn't matter.