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  • Bullfrog

    Ultimate Member
    Oct 8, 2009
    15,321
    Carroll County
    Hi point carbine. Just works. Is cheap and no great loss if lost. mags are cheap too

    Or if you want to show just a little more class... ;) there's something similar in the classifieds.

     

    Slackdaddy

    My pronouns: Iva/Bigun
    Jan 1, 2019
    5,988
    Reality check - That scenario and he's there , he's Eff' ed, and there are no good answers .

    The only semi viable solution is awareness and determination to anticipate , so as to Get Out of Dodge 12 to 24 hrs ahead of everyone. Which also includes that it's better to jump too soon for false alarms than be slow the onetime it's real.
    Yup,, By the time we are knee deep in SHTF,, anyone "heading out" in a vehicle is going to be a target.
     

    chilipeppermaniac

    Ultimate Member
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    Or if you want to show just a little more class... ;) there's something similar in the classifieds.

    What, no love for the " Ghost Gun?" Or the Fully Semi Automatic?
     

    AlBeight

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    Mar 30, 2017
    4,582
    Hampstead
    What I remember feeling on 9/11 was how eerie it was to have silent skies.

    Now, for the SHTF memories, the stories of what mess was happening in the aftermath of Katrina down in New Orleans.
    There was some self preservation goin on down there then.
    Where did you live and drive during 9/11 that on 9/10 “the skies” were so noisy that it was noticeably different the very next day? I worked directly across the street from BWI for over 20 years and only very rarely noticed the air traffic noise.
     

    Blacksmith101

    Grumpy Old Man
    Jun 22, 2012
    22,344
    Main roads will be jammed with cars and blocked by vehicles that ran out of gas/charge or have mechanical problems. Back roads will likely be blocked by the local "Militia"/ locals saying we don't want you here so this road is closed. Both highways and back roads are likely to spawn gangs of thugs out for anything they can get. Both will be found blocking many "check points" i.e. bridges, highway cuts, overpasses, etc.

    If you are going to leave leave early and get as far as you can as fast as you can, distance from urban centers will be important. Also plan on having to make at least some part of your trip on foot so a get home bag with necessary items for hiking will be needed.

    Think about tactics of overland travel during a "refugee event" probably two choices. Either "Lone Wolf" - travel by yourself avoid everyone and try to be invisible until you get to your location. Or "Blend In" - hide in the throng of refugees try to look like them and have or do nothing to make you stand out from the crowd, which means concealed weapons, hidden food, and no special equipment because either the crowd will take it from you or rat you out to the authorities.
     

    chilipeppermaniac

    Ultimate Member
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    Where did you live and drive during 9/11 that on 9/10 “the skies” were so noisy that it was noticeably different the very next day? I worked directly across the street from BWI for over 20 years and only very rarely noticed the air traffic noise.
    I was living in Carroll County but working that day and the next few in the Belair Rd and 695 area.
    For those batch of days post 9/11. It felt weird not hearing or seeing any jets. That, plus knowing that essentially everyone was land locked with their feet on the ground was a spooky feeling to me.

    Then another odd experience was that day an earthquake shook these parts. We got back to a jobsite in Towson after a materials run, and the customer asked us if we felt the earthquake. We must have been driving on the road, and thus never felt any shaking going on.

    AlBeight, now when I consider the matter of a get home gun, or a gun that will serve me best while not at home, unfortunately the government has restricted my ability to make the best choice. Until I pay the piper and take a test, the best I can do is have a long and hand gun in my vehicle to the range and back home again.

    I do like some of the suggestions of others up thread.
     

    Threeband

    The M1 Does My Talking
    Dec 30, 2006
    25,403
    Carroll County
    Where did you live and drive during 9/11 that on 9/10 “the skies” were so noisy that it was noticeably different the very next day? I worked directly across the street from BWI for over 20 years and only very rarely noticed the air traffic noise.

    Don't you remember the eerie stillness of those several days? Bush grounded all civilian air traffic immediately. The silence was striking, and I remember it well.
     

    chilipeppermaniac

    Ultimate Member
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    Where did you live and drive during 9/11 that on 9/10 “the skies” were so noisy that it was noticeably different the very next day? I worked directly across the street from BWI for over 20 years and only very rarely noticed the air traffic noise.
    My stepdaughter lives in a neighborhood around BWI now. When I remodeled her bathroom, I heard planes all day. Where I am here with her mother in Halethorpe, sometimes the flight path goes over our house now too. It is funny the things I hear and see and feel just by the way my attention works.

    I hear mice, stink bugs, cats or squirrels rustling in bushes, trains, planes, helicopters.
    Heck, once I even heard a pin drop.
     

    outrider58

    Cold Damp Spaces
    MDS Supporter
    What I remember feeling on 9/11 was how eerie it was to have silent skies.

    Now, for the SHTF memories, the stories of what mess was happening in the aftermath of Katrina down in New Orleans.
    There was some self preservation goin on down there then.
    As far as air space, we had F-16s forcing down every small planes to land at Montgomery Air park, which is a stone's throw from my house.

    Road traffic, on the other hand, was like trying to get home(from DC) in the middle of a blizzard. Almost zero cell service, to boot.
     

    AlBeight

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    Mar 30, 2017
    4,582
    Hampstead
    Don't you remember the eerie stillness of those several days? Bush grounded all civilian air traffic immediately. The silence was striking, and I remember it well.
    Not in the least. I live in Carroll County, and was driving 37 miles south to Hanover, MD every day to work (literally 100 yards from the perimeter fence of BWI), and I had a radio in my car (as probably many of that era did), and drove much of that at highway speeds on the noisy ass beltway, therefore did not notice any “eerie stillness”. Maybe a few less cars on the road as lots of folks stayed home a couple days IIRC.
     

    chilipeppermaniac

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    As far as air space, we had F-16s forcing down every small planes to land at Montgomery Air park, which is a stone's throw from my house.

    Road traffic, on the other hand, was like trying to get home(from DC) in the middle of a blizzard. Almost zero cell service, to boot.
    outrider, knowing what I do about Montgomery Airpark and DC area. I can fully understand how things must have gone down and transpired that day down there. This puts things into perspective on why you mentioned the ride home.
    I remember one of those Wintery snowy days that I took a trip to Arlington VA and just as I hit the MGM National Harbor area on my way from Arbutus to VA. Then it got heavy on my way back and I took surface roads through DC instead of coming back on the Cap Beltway etc.
     

    chilipeppermaniac

    Ultimate Member
    MDS Supporter
    Not in the least. I live in Carroll County, and was driving 37 miles south to Hanover, MD every day to work (literally 100 yards from the perimeter fence of BWI), and I had a radio in my car (as probably many of that era did), and drove much of that at highway speeds on the noisy ass beltway, therefore did not notice any “eerie stillness”. Maybe a few less cars on the road as lots of folks stayed home a couple days IIRC.
    YEAH,

    There was one of our differences. I mostly drove, Brick Store, to Falls Rd, to Shawan, to 83 and 695 to Bel Air Rd. Probably a few miles farther. But, it was that eerie sense when Bush grounded the planes that I noticed while working on the window and siding job all day that week outdoors.
     

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