Can Trump make CCW in all 50 states?

[Biggfoot44]

Plenty of states do. Or rather plenty of states make no legal restrictions upon carry into any flavor of food/ bevetage establishments. There is no difference between those , states with partial restrictions of some sort, and states with total prohibition. No blood running on the barroom floors.

The drunken barrom shootouts meme is as much a myth as Blood in the Streets from shootouts over parking spaces.

 

[RoadDawg]

What Ingoes said doesn't seem too bad, if you mumble it real fast.

But it ceedes the control of Carry to the Federal Gov't, and lets them set the standards for it. Might seem simple and non-intrusive initially, but at that point it will be a small matter to "update" the standards every few years.

Sure, for Maryland and 4-5 other state current conditions this would seem a leap forewards, but at the expense of throwing the 2A and the rest of the Country under the bus.

Exactly the point of my posts on the subject...

We already have the absolute right...
Granting the government authorities the power to regulate that right is in fact surrendering that right to their authority. Once that happens... We never get it back.

Ok maybe I'm just stupid but........

Why not create a national ccw permit. Different requirements but if the applicant can meet the requirements they get a card that says they can carry in any state. States can't say no to the FBI or CIA or Marshalls or any other alphabet carrying agency, so why can't there be a national ccw permit?

TD

There is a national permit... Well... sort of...

• Apply to and get accepted to a Police Department.
• Become a Police Officer by completing up to two and a half years of difficult training. In an Academy and then in the Field Training portion
• Work as a Police Officer for a minimum of ten years.
• Retire in good standing.
• Complete LEOSA Training and live fire day and night qualification once per year in most states... (NJ is twice per year).
• Your LEOSA card is now your nationwide CCW.

Yep... It really is that "easy"...


Of, we can support more pro 2A candidates for office and work to get the socialist laws removed from the books.

 

[swinokur]

Recognize that shall issue and national reciprocity are not the same thing. None of the proposed National Reciprocity bills changed any state gun laws and never will.

 

[Riley26]

Ran across this:

"Trump said in the paper he has a concealed carry permit. The permits, which are issued by states, should be valid*nationwide like a driver's license, Trump said.*"If we can do that for driving -- which is a privilege, not a right -- then surely we can do that for concealed carry, which is a right, not a privilege," Trump said."

 

[swinokur]

and recognition of another state's permit does not equal forcing states to change their own statutes at all.

 

[thomfantomas]

and recognition of another state's permit does not equal forcing states to change their own statutes at all.

but it makes a legitimate case for us to obatin a conceal carry permit!

 

[Haides]

Do you think all places that serve alcohol should have to allow firearms?

You're right, I guess bars shouldn't have parking lots either.

 

[swinokur]

Originally Posted by rico903
Do you think all places that serve alcohol should have to allow firearms?

A National reciprocity agreement would not change that. how is that relevant?

 

[miles71]

I appreciate all the LEOs do for us, my father was a career LEO and I have many good friends who are officers and troopers. I am very glad LEOSA exists and think it should have always been that way.

That being said, I also feel a person who is not a LEO should have the ability to protect themselves and loved ones and that should not change because of a state line.

TD

 

[swinokur]

change is coming.....for some

 

[SWO Daddy]

Recognize that shall issue and national reciprocity are not the same thing. None of the proposed National Reciprocity bills changed any state gun laws and never will.

IANAL, but I'm pretty sure it sets up an equal protection lawsuit when states wont issue permits to their own people, but honor permits from other states.

 

[swinokur]

MD does issue permits to it's residents but with G&s. The hypocrisy of G&S while being forced to allow out of satate residents to carry is what will change MD.

 

[SWO Daddy]

MD does issue permits to it's residents but with G&s. The hypocrisy of G&S while being forced to allow out of satate residents to carry is what will change MD.

Right, so a person living in a shall issue state can carry in MD, but a Maryland resident has to meet a higher requirement?

That can't be kosher...and I don't see how a non-resident permit equates to equal protection... but IANAL.

 

[Inigoes]

Right, so a person living in a shall issue state can carry in MD, but a Maryland resident has to meet a higher requirement?

That can't be kosher...and I don't see how a non-resident permit equates to equal protection... but IANAL.

If the law says any state, then a UT permit would be sufficient.

Training for nonresident permit would become a greater market.

 

[BeoBill]

IANAL, but I'm pretty sure it sets up an equal protection lawsuit when states wont issue permits to their own people, but honor permits from other states.

Perhaps 20 years or so down the line before that gets SCOTUS attention.

 

[Stoveman]

Do you think all places that serve alcohol should have to allow firearms?

Absolutely. Think Pulse nightclub. Then think what might have been prevented if a good guy with a gun (not drinking) would have been there.

 

[Sticky]

MD does issue permits to it's residents but with G&s. The hypocrisy of G&S while being forced to allow out of satate residents to carry is what will change MD.

Let us pray...

 

[press1280]

Right, so a person living in a shall issue state can carry in MD, but a Maryland resident has to meet a higher requirement?

That can't be kosher...and I don't see how a non-resident permit equates to equal protection... but IANAL.

Probably wouldn't work to sue MD, they'll probably point out they were dragged kicking and screaming and don't want reciprocity.
What should happen is the people start tossing their legislators when they see that anyone NOT a MD resident is able to carry there. They WILL get the message at some point.

 

[swinokur]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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This is what I think will effect change in MD.

MD's defense will be "we issue permits"

Court have held that reasonable regulation is legal and MD will cry it's our 10A right to do so.

Political pressure is what will work IMO.

 

[CrueChief]

MD will never issue permits under a shall issue standard unless the Supreme Court forces them to, and then only after taking a few years to " craft" the bill.