It cost my Wife and I $7626.00 to legally Carry a Handgun in 44 States!

[clandestine]

Great thread. Interesting.

AMERICA has unabashedly become RULES FOR THEE BUT NOT FOR ME

That is not what our forefathers designed. That is not what the Constitution defines and establishes.

Thank you and agree completely.

I'm glad we were able to pull this off, but I'm definitely not happy about the cost and obstacles.

In my opinion, our Founding Fathers wouldn't have fought if they could have seen the future.

 

[Alea Jacta Est]

Freedom truly is priceless.

That fact is lost on the folks who are unable to see, think or care for anyone or anything but their own pitiful, selfish selves.

may God bless America.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

As long as Democrats hold the majority in one of the three branches of government. National Reciprocity wont pass.

I don’t think that will happen for a very very long time. Sadly in the mean time, if you want to travel you will need to obtain more then one permit to carry from more then 1 state.

however, assuming That SCOTUS pushes the issue of shall issue to every one of the May issue states. We still have several issues.

1. 3 states and 1 city do NOT issue Non-resident permits to carry open or concealed. Nor do they have reciprocity with any other state. Sadly one is even a shall-issue state. However that one state (Oregon) thankfully has limited permit-less open carry. California, New York, and NYC won’t issue a non-resident permit. So sadly if your a non-resident wanting to carry concealed. There is three places you won’t be able too.

2. There are states that will issue a Non-Resident permit, yet you still have to travel to that state at least once in the process to obtain that permit. Some are even shall issue. Texas, can be done online, but the training must be done in state. Washington will issue non-resident, but you must go in person to submit application. Those are two examples.

3. Then you have a state like Illinois which is a combination of 1 and 2. They don’t have reciprocity, no open carry, you can get a non-resident permit without traveling to the state, but ONLY if you have a permit from one only 5 states.

The May-Issue states that will technically at least, will issue a non-resident permit are: Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Massachusetts. Hawaii is in practice though is a no-issue state.

Assuming SCOTUS rules in our favor.…

Hawaii, New Jersey and Massachusetts will all require a visit first.

however, I haven’t found any law that prevents me from getting certified to Teach MA classes to get a MA permit. Then teach those classes as I travel or in Texas. If I can do that, so can many others.

I am Already having classes and teaching Utah and Illinois, I am Maryland Certified, and have several interested in those classes too when Maryland becomes shall issue.

Time is running out on those states.

Some are already setting the balls in motion to update their permitting laws once SCOTUS rules.

Hawaii is one!

 

[clandestine]

As long as Democrats hold the majority in one of the three branches of government. National Reciprocity wont pass.

I don’t think that will happen for a very very long time. Sadly in the mean time, if you want to travel you will need to obtain more then one permit to carry from more then 1 state.

however, assuming That SCOTUS pushes the issue of shall issue to every one of the May issue states. We still have several issues.

1. 3 states and 1 city do NOT issue Non-resident permits to carry open or concealed. Nor do they have reciprocity with any other state. Sadly one is even a shall-issue state. However that one state (Oregon) thankfully has limited permit-less open carry. California, New York, and NYC won’t issue a non-resident permit. So sadly if your a non-resident wanting to carry concealed. There is three places you won’t be able too.

2. There are states that will issue a Non-Resident permit, yet you still have to travel to that state at least once in the process to obtain that permit. Some are even shall issue. Texas, can be done online, but the training must be done in state. Washington will issue non-resident, but you must go in person to submit application. Those are two examples.

3. Then you have a state like Illinois which is a combination of 1 and 2. They don’t have reciprocity, no open carry, you can get a non-resident permit without traveling to the state, but ONLY if you have a permit from one only 5 states.

The May-Issue states that will technically at least, will issue a non-resident permit are: Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Massachusetts. Hawaii is in practice though is a no-issue state.

Assuming SCOTUS rules in our favor.…

Hawaii, New Jersey and Massachusetts will all require a visit first.

however, I haven’t found any law that prevents me from getting certified to Teach MA classes to get a MA permit. Then teach those classes as I travel or in Texas. If I can do that, so can many others.

I am Already having classes and teaching Utah and Illinois, I am Maryland Certified, and have several interested in those classes too when Maryland becomes shall issue.

Time is running out on those states.

Some are already setting the balls in motion to update their permitting laws once SCOTUS rules.

Hawaii is one!

You can certainly become a MA Certified Instructor and teach outside of MA. My MA Certified instructor is based out of Wilmington DE which saves us two trips to MA for the "permit process". Now we only need to make one trip for the "interview".

Here is the list they currently have:

https://www.mass.gov/doc/basic-firearms-instructor-listing-04-01-2022/download

 

[Texasgrillchef]

You can certainly become a MA Certified Instructor and teach outside of MA. My MA Certified instructor is based out of Wilmington DE which saves us two trips to MA for the "permit process". Now we only need to make one trip for the "interview".

Here is the list they currently have:

https://www.mass.gov/doc/basic-firearms-instructor-listing-04-01-2022/download

Here is

The second reason I became an Illinois and Maryland certified instructor is that to renew either permit does not require the instructor to take a class. In terms of the Maryland permit. When I go to apply, as an instructor I don’t have to show proof of taking the class.

While for MA I do have to have a permit and take the first class from a MA instructor. The way I read it is I won’t have to take the class. I am waiting till after SCOTUS rules so I can hopefully get an unrestricted permit for MA.

Am now applying for the RI permit. Got my instructor friend to certify me for RI. Which I verified will work.

Things will be changing in the 8 MAY issue states after SCOTUS. That I am sure of. How, and in what time frame is anyones guess.

I don’t think any of the other 7 states will be as Drastic as what Hawaii is trying to attempt. But we shall see. One reason is none of the other states are as hard to get a permit in as Hawaii. Hawaii is basically a no issue state in practice.

 

[smileycloser]

What is SLED?

On the phone so hard to look it up.

Good on you and your wife for putting forth this tremendous effort, even at great cost to you both.

South Carolina Law Enforcement Division

 

[3paul10]

I can only carry in 42 states. Them darn coppers can carry in 50 states. That means cops are 16% more privileged than I am which makes me 3% jealous.

Darn coppers. Nough said.

 

[Texasgrillchef]

Well hopefully for all soon, SCOTUS will soon change that, and maybe just maybe we will with some effort and expense of course be able to at least be possible of carrying legally in one form or another (OC/CC) in at least 47 maybe 48 states. For some maybe only at least 46.

The only way currently for Oregon for those who are non-Residents outside border states. Will be to OC. They offer no reciprocity and no non-resident permitting.

New York, And California won’t issue Non-Resident. There are maybe some exceptions for Military, or if you own a business In the state. But barring those exceptions they don’t issue general non-resident permits.

Illinois maybe an issue for some as they don’t have reciprocity, and they only allow non-resident permitting if you have a permit from only one of 6 states. (Texas, Virginia, Arkansas, Nevada, Idaho, Mississippi. Only Texas, Virginia & Idaho issue Non-Resident permits)

Nothing in Hawaiis current law specifically states that a non-resident can’t get a permit. Just very few if any at all have ever been issued. Since the only ones ever issued permits are for Security guards & personal body guards. Unknown if any of those are non-resident.

FYI… Regarding getting an Illinois Permit.. from a previous post in this thread… Texas does issue Non-Resident permits, however one must come to Texas for the Texas LTC class. Applications can be done online. Virginia does not require travel to the state to obtain a Virginia Permit. Idaho requires a trip to Idaho for their training and to apply.

I am an Illinois certified Instructor. I have contacted Illinois in regards to if they will issue a non-Resident permit, if you have a Non resident permit from Texas, Virginia, or Idaho. When I receive a response. I will post a new thread.

 

[xpert66]

Keep increasing prices on legal gun ownership while animals in every democratic run slum across the country kill and steal using illegal guns. I will never obey gun rules now and I will be another criminal using illegal guns. Just amazing

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[cornstalk]

I don't see the point in doing this. As soon as you get them all, you'll have to start renewing them. So you'll probably spend another $6000 every few years.

 

[clandestine]

I don't see the point in doing this. As soon as you get them all, you'll have to start renewing them. So you'll probably spend another $6000 every few years.

Then don't do it.

My wife and I do it because we are fortunate enough to be able to afford it. Maybe one day we won't be able to afford it, so we will count our blessings.

My main point is it shouldn't be so expensive and burdensome to exercise a right.

FWIW, renewals are almost always cheaper since most don't require follow up training and prints.

 

[Doug Hile]

The Carry Permit Process can be a convoluted, laborious, and expensive process depending on where you want to carry. Depending on the State/Jurisdiction, the Carry Permit Process is nearly impossible for those with limited budgets, busy schedules, and/or no means of transportation.

Some States have adopted Permitless Carry, also known as “Constitutional Carry”, whereas some States require Permits to Carry Concealed, but allow Unlicensed Open Carry.

Constitutional Carry States Include: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota (Residents Only/ Concealed Carry Only), Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee (Handguns Only), Texas, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming

Some States only accept their own Carry Permits, while other States have Reciprocity Agreements with various States. Some States accept only RESIDENT Permits, whereas other States accept Resident or Non-Resident Permits.

Reciprocity Agreements change quite often so keeping up can be a challenge. Some Carry Permit Holders find comfort in having “Reciprocity Overlap” by acquiring multiple Carry Permits in case Reciprocity Agreements change.

We use the USCCA Carry Reciprocity Gun Laws App for a quick glance at Reciprocity and various Gun Laws.

Now more on our story…

My Wife and I have Carry Permits from Maryland, Pennsylvania, Washington D.C., Utah, Florida, Maine, New Hampshire, and Rhode Island. We are in process for our Connecticut and Massachusetts Carry Permits. We chose these particular Carry Permits to maximize the States/Places we can Carry.

As I mentioned above, this can change based on your Home State (Residence) and where you would like to Carry. Some of these Permits have “Reciprocal Overlap”. For example, our Non resident Florida and Non resident Utah Permits have very similar Reciprocity Agreements with other States, but we can’t Carry in Florida with a Non Resident Utah Permit. The Non Resident Utah Permit allows us to Carry in Washington State, whereas the Florida Non Resident Permit does not. This is why you need to do thorough research.

Below are the requirement breakdowns and costs for each Permit we applied for. I added the process for renewals but those totals are not included in our totals.

Resident Maryland (May Issue) Total Cost $1260.00
NOTE: Maryland issues Permits to Residents and Non Residents if they have “cause”.
Good for 2 Years
16 Hour Class $350 x2 (This can vary)
Live Fire Qualification Ammo $25 x 2 (This can vary depending on ammunition selected)
Travel/Expenses for Class $150 (This can vary)
Livescan Fingerprints Only $60 x2 (This can vary)
Digital Passport Photo x2 (This can vary)
Must Show “Cause” x2 (Ours were approved as Business Owners)
Online Application $75 x2
State Police may Schedule a Phone Interview or In Person Interview x2
Travel/Toll Cost for In Person Interview $90 (This can vary)
Processing Time can vary between 2 – 4 Months
Maryland Permit Renewals (May Issue)
Good for 3 Years
You may receive an automatic Renewal Application, but don’t rely on this. Apply 90 days prior to expiration.
8 Hour Renewal Class
Live Fire Qualification Ammo
Travel/Expenses for Class
NO FINGERPRINTS REQUIRED
Digital Passport Photo to Upload
Must Show “Cause”
Online Application (Must Upload Supporting Documents)
State Police will Schedule a Phone Interview or In Person Interview
Travel/Toll Cost for In Person Interview
Processing Time can vary between 2 – 4 Months


Non Resident Pennsylvania (Shall Issue) Total Cost $104.00
Good for 5 Years
Must Have Home State/Resident Carry Permit x2 (If your Home State Carry Permit Expires, the Issuing Agency will REVOKE your Non Resident Pennsylvania Permit)
Online Application with York County Sheriff was $27 x2 (Do Research – Not all Sheriff Departments Issue Non Resident Permits)

York County Sheriff's Office Online License to Carry Firearms Permit Director

yorkpa.permitium.com

Must Schedule Appointment to Pick Up Permit In Person and get Photo Taken x2
Travel/Toll/Parking Cost $50 (This can vary)
Processing Time can vary between 1 – 14 Days (Depending on Agency)
Non Resident Pennsylvania Renewals (Shall Issue)
Good for 5 Years

York County Sheriff's Office Online License to Carry Firearms Permit Director

yorkpa.permitium.com

You may receive an automatic Renewal Application, but don’t rely on this. Apply 30 days prior to expiration.
Must Have Home State/Resident Carry Permit (If your Home State Carry Permit Expires, the Issuing Agency will REVOKE your Non Resident Pennsylvania Permit)
Online Application with York County Sheriff $27 (Do Research – Not all Sheriff Departments Issue Non Resident Permits)
Must Schedule Appointment to Pick Up Permit In Person and get Photo Taken
Travel/Toll/Parking Cost (This can vary)
Processing Time can vary between 1 – 14 Days (Depending on Agency)


Non Resident Washington D.C. (Shall Issue) Total Cost $1220.00
Good for 2 Years
16 Hour Class $350 x2 (This can vary)
Travel/Expenses for Class $150 (This can vary)
Live Fire Qualification Ammo $25 x2 (This can vary)
Must Apply In Person x2
Paper Application/Photo/Fingerprints $110 x2
Must Register ANY Handgun/s you plan to Carry in D.C. X2 (One Handgun Registration is Included, additional Handgun Registrations are $15 each)
Travel/Toll/Parking Cost $100
Processing Time can vary between 3 – 6 Months
Non Resident Washington D.C. Renewals (Shall Issue)
Good for 2 Years
You may receive an automatic Renewal Application, but don’t rely on this. Apply 90 days prior to expiration.
8 Hour Renewal Class
Travel/Expenses for Renewal Class
Live Fire Qualification Ammo
NO FINGERPRINTS REQUIRED
Digital Passport Photo to Upload
Online Application $75 (Must Upload Supporting Documents)
ANY Handgun/s you plan to Carry in D.C. MUST be registered with the M.P.D.C. (Registrations are $15 each and must be done IN PERSON)
Processing Time can vary between 1 – 3 Months


Non Resident Florida (Shall Issue) Total Cost $284.00
Good for 7 Years
NRA Basic Handgun Class with Live Fire or Hunter Safety $0 (Our Maryland & D.C. Classes Satisfied this Requirement)
Paper Application $87 x2
Passport Photo $10 x2 (This can vary)
Fingerprints $30 x2 (MUST BE TAKEN BY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY)
Postage/Insurance for Application $15 x2 (This can vary)
Processing Time can vary between 1 – 3 Months
Non Resident Florida Renewals (Shall Issue)
Good for 7 Years
You may receive an automatic Renewal Application, but don’t rely on this. Apply 90 days prior to expiration.
FL now accepts online renewals:

Concealed Weapon and Class "G" License Renewals - Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services

cwrex.freshfromflorida.com

Application $87
Passport Photo (Can be taken by Phone)
Fingerprints - Livescan for online application. For paper application, in the past Ink prints had to be rolled by Law Enforcement)
Postage/Insurance for Paper Application
Processing Time can vary between 2 – 4 Months


Non Resident Utah (Shall Issue) Total Cost $376.00
Good for 5 Years
4 Hour Utah Class $75 x2 (This can vary)
Travel/Expenses for Class $50 (This can vary)
Paper Application $63 x2
Passport Photo $10 x2 (This can vary)
Fingerprints $10 (This can vary. We purchased a “Fingerprint Kit” from Amazon and rolled our own Fingerprints)
Postage/Insurance $15 x2
Processing Time can vary between 2 – 3 Months
Non Resident Utah Renewals (Shall Issue)
Good for 5 Years
You may receive an automatic Renewal Application, but don’t rely on this. Apply 60 days prior to expiration.
NO FINGERPRINTS REQUIRED
Online Application $25
Passport Photo (The Online Application can use your Mobile Device to take a Passport Photo)
Processing Time can vary between 1 – 2 Months


Non Resident Rhode Island (May Issue or Shall Issue) Total Cost $780.00
Good for 4 Years
The Application Process and Fees for a Non Resident Rhode Island Permit can vary depending on where you apply. Attorney General Permits are May Issue and have a fixed price whereas Local Departments can vary between $40 and $340. Some Departments are Shall Issue and some are May Issue, so do your research before selecting a Department. Some Departments require you to apply “In Person”, yet some have a “Mail In Process”. The Departments who allow “Mail in Applications” charge on the high end of the spectrum, whereas the Departments who require “In Person Applications” charge $40. Basically, if you choose a Department that allows “Mail In”, you pay for that convenience. Rhode Island Statutes say the maximum fee allowable is $40, but not all Departments follow the Statute. Some Departments refuse to deal with or accept Non Resident Applications. If you want to save a trip to Rhode Island, Johnston P.D. does accept “Mail In Applications” for $340, but you will have to provide Fingerprints and a Passport Photo in the Application.

We chose the East Greenwich Rhode Island Police Department, but I must caution you, E.G.P.D. only accepts 25 Permit Applications a month and East Greenwich Resident Applicants get priority. After all interested East Greenwich Residents have gotten their Interview Appointments, the remainder are given to qualified Non Resident Candidates on a first come, first served basis. Due to the extremely large number of people trying to secure those remaining Interview Appointments, E.G.P.D. has created a call in process once a month @ 9 A.M. EST, where callers can leave their information and the E.G.P.D. will schedule In Person Interviews for the following month on a first come, first served basis until the month’s calendar is full. It’s a phone lottery and may take several months to successfully grab an Appointment.

Departments who offer a “Mail In” option do not have a phone lottery, so again you have to carefully decide which route to take.

This was our process for East Greenwich Rhode Island Police Department:
Request Paper Application via email (This can vary per Department as mentioned above)
NRA Basic Class $0 (Our Maryland & D.C. Classes satisfied this requirement)
NRA Instructor must Live Fire Qualify Applicant @ 75′, 30 Shots, on Army L Target. Applicants MUST score 195 or better. (This Test can be extremely difficult for casual shooters) $50 x2
Ammo $25 x2 (This can vary)
Schedule Appointment for In Person Interview and Application Submission (Via Phone, but this can vary per Department as mentioned above)
Application and Supporting Documents (Must be Notarized) $0 x2
3 Reference Letters (Must be Notarized) $0 x2 (This can vary per Department as mentioned above)
Write Letter showing “Need/Cause” x2 (This can vary per Department as mentioned above)
Must have Home State Permit x2
Travel/Expenses for Live Fire Qualification $50 (This can vary per Department as mentioned above)
Application/Photo/Prints $40 x2 (This can vary per Department as mentioned above)
Travel/Toll/Parking/Hotel Cost $500 (This can vary per Department as mentioned above)
Processing Time can vary between 3- 6 Months (Depending on Department/Agency)
Non Resident Rhode Island Renewals (May Issue or Shall Issue)
The Renewal Process varies from Department to Department and Agency. Our understanding of the E.G.P.D. Renewal Process is unknown at this time. In the future, the E.G.P.D. may require In Person Renewals, or they may allow Mail Order Renewals, but we are uncertain. I will update this section when we are due for our E.G.P.D. Renewal.
Automatic Renewal Application notification is UNKNOWN, but we plan to restart the process at least 150 days prior to expiration.
UNKNOWN Processing Time


Non Resident Connecticut (Shall Issue) Total Cost $424.00
Good for 5 Years
MUST Have a Carry Permit from ANY State
NRA Basic Pistol Class or NRA Basics of Pistol Shooting Class are the only training CT State Police is now accepting. The training as to be less than one year old at the time of application as well. $75 x2
Must send an email to the Connecticut State Police Special Licensing and Firearms Unit and Request Application to be sent via Mail (This may take a long time)
Online Background Check (CCHRS) and Fingerprint Processing Fees $87 x2 (Instructions included with Application)
Paper Application Must Be Notarized $0 x2 (This can vary)
Application $70 x2
Passport Photo $10 x2 (This can vary)
Livescan or Ink Fingerprints $30 x2 (This can vary)
Postage/Insurance $15 x2 (This can vary)
Processing Time can vary between 3 – 9 Months
Non Resident Connecticut Renewal (Shall Issue)
Good for 5 Years
You may receive an automatic Renewal Application, but don’t rely on this. Send an email to the CT State Police Special Licensing and Firearms Unit and Request Renewal Application to be sent via Mail. Apply 6 months prior to expiration.
Online Background Check (CCHRS) and Fingerprint Processing Fees (UNKNOWN IF NEEDED)
Paper Application Must Be Notarized $0 x2 (This can vary)
Application $70
Passport Photo
NO FINGERPRINTS
Postage/Insurance
Processing Time can vary between 1 – 6 Months


Non Resident New Hampshire (Constitutional Carry & Shall Issue) Total Cost $230.00
NOTE: A Permit is not required to carry in New Hampshire, but a Permit is required to carry in/on an RV/Trailer, Snowmobile, ATV, or Off-Road Vehicle, so we decided to get one since we like to travel, camp, and do outdoor activities.
Good for 5 Years
NO FINGERPRINTS/NO PASSPORT PHOTO
Paper Application $100 x2
Postage/Insurance $15 x2
Processing Time can vary between 1 – 3 Months
Non Resident New Hampshire Renewals (Constitutional Carry & Shall Issue)
Good for 5 Years
You may receive an automatic Renewal Application, but don’t rely on this. Apply 90 days prior to expiration.
NO FINGERPRINTS/NO PASSPORT PHOTO
Paper Application $100
Postage/Insurance
Processing Time can vary between 1 – 3 Months


Non Resident Maine (Constitutional Carry & Shall Issue) Total Cost $320.00
NOTE: A Permit is not required to carry in Maine, but a Permit is required to carry in Acadia National Park, so we decided to get one since we like to travel, camp, and do outdoor activities.
Good for 5 Years
Show Handgun/Safety Training $0 (Our Maryland & D.C. Classes Satisfied this Requirement)
Paper Application $60 x2
NO FINGERPRINTS
Passport Photo $10 x2
Postage/Insurance $15 x2
Processing Time can vary between 1 – 3 Months
Non Resident Maine Renewals (Constitutional Carry & Shall Issue)
Good for 5 Years
You may receive an automatic Renewal Application, but don’t rely on this. Apply 90 days prior to expiration.
NO FINGERPRINTS
Passport Photo
Paper Application $60
Postage/Insurance
Processing Time can vary between 1 – 3 Months


Non Resident Massachusetts (May Issue) Total Cost $981.00
Good for 1 Year (Massachusetts State Police Temporary Permit)
Massachusetts Basic Handgun Class - MA LTC002 Class) $100 x2 (May vary)
Must Have Home State Permit x2
Must Show “Cause” x2
Travel/Expenses to MA Certified Instructor in WIlmington, DE $50 (May vary)
MA Certified Instructors can be found here:

https://www.mass.gov/doc/basic-firearms-instructor-listing-04-01-2022/download

Paper Application $100 x2
Self Addressed Stamped Envelope $0.50 x2
Postage/Insurance $15 x2 (May vary)
In Person Interview/Photo/Prints in Chelsea Massachusetts x2
Travel/Toll/Parking/Hotel Cost $500 (May vary)
Processing Time can vary between 3 – 9 Months
Non Resident Massachusetts Renewals (May Issue)
Good for 1 Year (Massachusetts State Police Temporary Permit)
You WILL NOT receive an automatic Renewal Application. Apply 180 days prior to expiration.
Renewals can be performed via mail each year with Supporting Documents and Passport Photograph. You will only be required to appear In Person to Apply once every 6 years.
Must Have Home State Permit
Must Show “Cause”
Paper Application $100
Self Addressed Stamped Envelope $0.50
Postage/Insurance
Processing Time can vary between 3 – 6 Months


Carry/Self Defense Insurance Annual Cost $450 (Cost varies)
Self Defense Insurance is not required but it’s wise if you can afford it. Some States do not allow Self Defense Insurance.


There are other great Non Resident Permits such as Texas, Arizona, Virginia, and West Virginia, but we felt they were unnecessary based on our existing Permit Overlap Coverage.

Due to Reciprocity Agreements, the above Carry Permits allow us to Carry in 43 States, and Washington D.C.

We still can’t get Permits to Carry for HI, NJ, NY, and CA due to May/No Issue Policies. We can’t Carry in Colorado because they don’t honor Non Resident Permits, and they don’t issue Permits to Non Residents. We can’t get a Permit to Carry in Oregon or Illinois because they only issue to Non-Residents of “particular” States, and Maryland Residents are not one of them.

When you add up all the above, which does NOT include Range Time/Practice, Photocopies/Digital Scanning of Required Documents, Time away from Work/Family, we have spent $6579.00. This averages to approximately $10.00 per day for my Wife and I to Carry in 43 States, Washington D.C, and Puerto Rico. That’s $300.00 a Month or $3600.00 per year!

$6579.00 is not a typo. That number does not include the cost of our Carry Firearms, Purchase Licensing/Paperwork Fees, or Carry Equipment.

You can save on hundreds if not thousands on Mandatory Training if you find Instructors who offer COMBINED Classes. Plan your Trips and Training out, and do your research.

Insane isn’t it?

U.S. Supreme Court, are you listening?

It IS Insane. Why do we put up with this Insanity? The Primary Law of America,, says - "Shall Not Be Infringed."

 

[gem357]

Thanks for doing this and publishing the results on MD Shooters. Just amazing.

 

[MackM]

The Carry Permit Process can be a convoluted, laborious, and expensive process depending on where you want to carry. Depending on the State/Jurisdiction, the Carry Permit Process is nearly impossible for those with limited budgets, busy schedules, and/or no means of transportation.

Some States have adopted Permitless Carry, also known as “Constitutional Carry”, whereas some States require Permits to Carry Concealed, but allow Unlicensed Open Carry.

Constitutional Carry States Include: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota (Residents Only/ Concealed Carry Only), Ohio, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee (Handguns Only), Texas, Utah, Vermont, West Virginia, and Wyoming

Some States only accept their own Carry Permits, while other States have Reciprocity Agreements with various States. Some States accept only RESIDENT Permits, whereas other States accept Resident or Non-Resident Permits.

Reciprocity Agreements change quite often so keeping up can be a challenge. Some Carry Permit Holders find comfort in having “Reciprocity Overlap” by acquiring multiple Carry Permits in case Reciprocity Agreements change.

We use the USCCA Carry Reciprocity Gun Laws App for a quick glance at Reciprocity and various Gun Laws.

Now more on our story…

My Wife and I have Carry Permits from Maryland, Pennsylvania, Washington D.C., Utah, Florida, Maine, New Hampshire, and Rhode Island. We are in process for our Connecticut and Massachusetts Carry Permits. We chose these particular Carry Permits to maximize the States/Places we can Carry.

As I mentioned above, this can change based on your Home State (Residence) and where you would like to Carry. Some of these Permits have “Reciprocal Overlap”. For example, our Non resident Florida and Non resident Utah Permits have very similar Reciprocity Agreements with other States, but we can’t Carry in Florida with a Non Resident Utah Permit. The Non Resident Utah Permit allows us to Carry in Washington State, whereas the Florida Non Resident Permit does not. This is why you need to do thorough research.

Below are the requirement breakdowns and costs for each Permit we applied for. I added the process for renewals but those totals are not included in our totals.

Resident Maryland (May Issue) Total Cost $1260.00
NOTE: Maryland issues Permits to Residents and Non Residents if they have “cause”.
Good for 2 Years
16 Hour Class $350 x2 (This can vary)
Live Fire Qualification Ammo $25 x 2 (This can vary depending on ammunition selected)
Travel/Expenses for Class $150 (This can vary)
Livescan Fingerprints Only $60 x2 (This can vary)
Digital Passport Photo x2 (This can vary)
Must Show “Cause” x2 (Ours were approved as Business Owners)
Online Application $75 x2
State Police may Schedule a Phone Interview or In Person Interview x2
Travel/Toll Cost for In Person Interview $90 (This can vary)
Processing Time can vary between 2 – 4 Months
Maryland Permit Renewals (May Issue)
Good for 3 Years
You may receive an automatic Renewal Application, but don’t rely on this. Apply 90 days prior to expiration.
8 Hour Renewal Class
Live Fire Qualification Ammo
Travel/Expenses for Class
NO FINGERPRINTS REQUIRED
Digital Passport Photo to Upload
Must Show “Cause”
Online Application (Must Upload Supporting Documents)
State Police will Schedule a Phone Interview or In Person Interview
Travel/Toll Cost for In Person Interview
Processing Time can vary between 2 – 4 Months


Non Resident Pennsylvania (Shall Issue) Total Cost $104.00
Good for 5 Years
Must Have Home State/Resident Carry Permit x2 (If your Home State Carry Permit Expires, the Issuing Agency will REVOKE your Non Resident Pennsylvania Permit)
Online Application with York County Sheriff was $27 x2 (Do Research – Not all Sheriff Departments Issue Non Resident Permits)

York County Sheriff's Office Online License to Carry Firearms Permit Director

yorkpa.permitium.com

Must Schedule Appointment to Pick Up Permit In Person and get Photo Taken x2
Travel/Toll/Parking Cost $50 (This can vary)
Processing Time can vary between 1 – 14 Days (Depending on Agency)
Non Resident Pennsylvania Renewals (Shall Issue)
Good for 5 Years

York County Sheriff's Office Online License to Carry Firearms Permit Director

yorkpa.permitium.com

You may receive an automatic Renewal Application, but don’t rely on this. Apply 30 days prior to expiration.
Must Have Home State/Resident Carry Permit (If your Home State Carry Permit Expires, the Issuing Agency will REVOKE your Non Resident Pennsylvania Permit)
Online Application with York County Sheriff $27 (Do Research – Not all Sheriff Departments Issue Non Resident Permits)
Must Schedule Appointment to Pick Up Permit In Person and get Photo Taken
Travel/Toll/Parking Cost (This can vary)
Processing Time can vary between 1 – 14 Days (Depending on Agency)


Non Resident Washington D.C. (Shall Issue) Total Cost $1220.00
Good for 2 Years
16 Hour Class $350 x2 (This can vary)
Travel/Expenses for Class $150 (This can vary)
Live Fire Qualification Ammo $25 x2 (This can vary)
Must Apply In Person x2
Paper Application/Photo/Fingerprints $110 x2
Must Register ANY Handgun/s you plan to Carry in D.C. X2 (One Handgun Registration is Included, additional Handgun Registrations are $15 each)
Travel/Toll/Parking Cost $100
Processing Time can vary between 3 – 6 Months
Non Resident Washington D.C. Renewals (Shall Issue)
Good for 2 Years
You may receive an automatic Renewal Application, but don’t rely on this. Apply 90 days prior to expiration.
8 Hour Renewal Class
Travel/Expenses for Renewal Class
Live Fire Qualification Ammo
NO FINGERPRINTS REQUIRED
Digital Passport Photo to Upload
Online Application $75 (Must Upload Supporting Documents)
ANY Handgun/s you plan to Carry in D.C. MUST be registered with the M.P.D.C. (Registrations are $15 each and must be done IN PERSON)
Processing Time can vary between 1 – 3 Months


Non Resident Florida (Shall Issue) Total Cost $284.00
Good for 7 Years
NRA Basic Handgun Class with Live Fire or Hunter Safety $0 (Our Maryland & D.C. Classes Satisfied this Requirement)
Paper Application $87 x2
Passport Photo $10 x2 (This can vary)
Fingerprints $30 x2 (MUST BE TAKEN BY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY)
Postage/Insurance for Application $15 x2 (This can vary)
Processing Time can vary between 1 – 3 Months
Non Resident Florida Renewals (Shall Issue)
Good for 7 Years
You may receive an automatic Renewal Application, but don’t rely on this. Apply 90 days prior to expiration.
FL now accepts online renewals:

Concealed Weapon and Class "G" License Renewals - Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services

cwrex.freshfromflorida.com

Application $87
Passport Photo (Can be taken by Phone)
Fingerprints - Livescan for online application. For paper application, in the past Ink prints had to be rolled by Law Enforcement)
Postage/Insurance for Paper Application
Processing Time can vary between 2 – 4 Months


Non Resident Utah (Shall Issue) Total Cost $376.00
Good for 5 Years
4 Hour Utah Class $75 x2 (This can vary)
Travel/Expenses for Class $50 (This can vary)
Paper Application $63 x2
Passport Photo $10 x2 (This can vary)
Fingerprints $10 (This can vary. We purchased a “Fingerprint Kit” from Amazon and rolled our own Fingerprints)
Postage/Insurance $15 x2
Processing Time can vary between 2 – 3 Months
Non Resident Utah Renewals (Shall Issue)
Good for 5 Years
You may receive an automatic Renewal Application, but don’t rely on this. Apply 60 days prior to expiration.
NO FINGERPRINTS REQUIRED
Online Application $25
Passport Photo (The Online Application can use your Mobile Device to take a Passport Photo)
Processing Time can vary between 1 – 2 Months


Non Resident Rhode Island (May Issue or Shall Issue) Total Cost $780.00
Good for 4 Years
The Application Process and Fees for a Non Resident Rhode Island Permit can vary depending on where you apply. Attorney General Permits are May Issue and have a fixed price whereas Local Departments can vary between $40 and $340. Some Departments are Shall Issue and some are May Issue, so do your research before selecting a Department. Some Departments require you to apply “In Person”, yet some have a “Mail In Process”. The Departments who allow “Mail in Applications” charge on the high end of the spectrum, whereas the Departments who require “In Person Applications” charge $40. Basically, if you choose a Department that allows “Mail In”, you pay for that convenience. Rhode Island Statutes say the maximum fee allowable is $40, but not all Departments follow the Statute. Some Departments refuse to deal with or accept Non Resident Applications. If you want to save a trip to Rhode Island, Johnston P.D. does accept “Mail In Applications” for $340, but you will have to provide Fingerprints and a Passport Photo in the Application.

We chose the East Greenwich Rhode Island Police Department, but I must caution you, E.G.P.D. only accepts 25 Permit Applications a month and East Greenwich Resident Applicants get priority. After all interested East Greenwich Residents have gotten their Interview Appointments, the remainder are given to qualified Non Resident Candidates on a first come, first served basis. Due to the extremely large number of people trying to secure those remaining Interview Appointments, E.G.P.D. has created a call in process once a month @ 9 A.M. EST, where callers can leave their information and the E.G.P.D. will schedule In Person Interviews for the following month on a first come, first served basis until the month’s calendar is full. It’s a phone lottery and may take several months to successfully grab an Appointment.

Departments who offer a “Mail In” option do not have a phone lottery, so again you have to carefully decide which route to take.

This was our process for East Greenwich Rhode Island Police Department:
Request Paper Application via email (This can vary per Department as mentioned above)
NRA Basic Class $0 (Our Maryland & D.C. Classes satisfied this requirement)
NRA Instructor must Live Fire Qualify Applicant @ 75′, 30 Shots, on Army L Target. Applicants MUST score 195 or better. (This Test can be extremely difficult for casual shooters) $50 x2
Ammo $25 x2 (This can vary)
Schedule Appointment for In Person Interview and Application Submission (Via Phone, but this can vary per Department as mentioned above)
Application and Supporting Documents (Must be Notarized) $0 x2
3 Reference Letters (Must be Notarized) $0 x2 (This can vary per Department as mentioned above)
Write Letter showing “Need/Cause” x2 (This can vary per Department as mentioned above)
Must have Home State Permit x2
Travel/Expenses for Live Fire Qualification $50 (This can vary per Department as mentioned above)
Application/Photo/Prints $40 x2 (This can vary per Department as mentioned above)
Travel/Toll/Parking/Hotel Cost $500 (This can vary per Department as mentioned above)
Processing Time can vary between 3- 6 Months (Depending on Department/Agency)
Non Resident Rhode Island Renewals (May Issue or Shall Issue)
The Renewal Process varies from Department to Department and Agency. Our understanding of the E.G.P.D. Renewal Process is unknown at this time. In the future, the E.G.P.D. may require In Person Renewals, or they may allow Mail Order Renewals, but we are uncertain. I will update this section when we are due for our E.G.P.D. Renewal.
Automatic Renewal Application notification is UNKNOWN, but we plan to restart the process at least 150 days prior to expiration.
UNKNOWN Processing Time


Non Resident Connecticut (Shall Issue) Total Cost $424.00
Good for 5 Years
MUST Have a Carry Permit from ANY State
NRA Basic Pistol Class or NRA Basics of Pistol Shooting Class are the only training CT State Police is now accepting. The training as to be less than one year old at the time of application as well. $75 x2
Must send an email to the Connecticut State Police Special Licensing and Firearms Unit and Request Application to be sent via Mail (This may take a long time)
Online Background Check (CCHRS) and Fingerprint Processing Fees $87 x2 (Instructions included with Application)
Paper Application Must Be Notarized $0 x2 (This can vary)
Application $70 x2
Passport Photo $10 x2 (This can vary)
Livescan or Ink Fingerprints $30 x2 (This can vary)
Postage/Insurance $15 x2 (This can vary)
Processing Time can vary between 3 – 9 Months
Non Resident Connecticut Renewal (Shall Issue)
Good for 5 Years
You may receive an automatic Renewal Application, but don’t rely on this. Send an email to the CT State Police Special Licensing and Firearms Unit and Request Renewal Application to be sent via Mail. Apply 6 months prior to expiration.
Online Background Check (CCHRS) and Fingerprint Processing Fees (UNKNOWN IF NEEDED)
Paper Application Must Be Notarized $0 x2 (This can vary)
Application $70
Passport Photo
NO FINGERPRINTS
Postage/Insurance
Processing Time can vary between 1 – 6 Months


Non Resident New Hampshire (Constitutional Carry & Shall Issue) Total Cost $230.00
NOTE: A Permit is not required to carry in New Hampshire, but a Permit is required to carry in/on an RV/Trailer, Snowmobile, ATV, or Off-Road Vehicle, so we decided to get one since we like to travel, camp, and do outdoor activities.
Good for 5 Years
NO FINGERPRINTS/NO PASSPORT PHOTO
Paper Application $100 x2
Postage/Insurance $15 x2
Processing Time can vary between 1 – 3 Months
Non Resident New Hampshire Renewals (Constitutional Carry & Shall Issue)
Good for 5 Years
You may receive an automatic Renewal Application, but don’t rely on this. Apply 90 days prior to expiration.
NO FINGERPRINTS/NO PASSPORT PHOTO
Paper Application $100
Postage/Insurance
Processing Time can vary between 1 – 3 Months


Non Resident Maine (Constitutional Carry & Shall Issue) Total Cost $320.00
NOTE: A Permit is not required to carry in Maine, but a Permit is required to carry in Acadia National Park, so we decided to get one since we like to travel, camp, and do outdoor activities.
Good for 5 Years
Show Handgun/Safety Training $0 (Our Maryland & D.C. Classes Satisfied this Requirement)
Paper Application $60 x2
NO FINGERPRINTS
Passport Photo $10 x2
Postage/Insurance $15 x2
Processing Time can vary between 1 – 3 Months
Non Resident Maine Renewals (Constitutional Carry & Shall Issue)
Good for 5 Years
You may receive an automatic Renewal Application, but don’t rely on this. Apply 90 days prior to expiration.
NO FINGERPRINTS
Passport Photo
Paper Application $60
Postage/Insurance
Processing Time can vary between 1 – 3 Months


Non Resident Massachusetts (May Issue) Total Cost $981.00
Good for 1 Year (Massachusetts State Police Temporary Permit)
Massachusetts Basic Handgun Class - MA LTC002 Class) $100 x2 (May vary)
Must Have Home State Permit x2
Must Show “Cause” x2
Travel/Expenses to MA Certified Instructor in WIlmington, DE $50 (May vary)
MA Certified Instructors can be found here:

https://www.mass.gov/doc/basic-firearms-instructor-listing-04-01-2022/download

Paper Application $100 x2
Self Addressed Stamped Envelope $0.50 x2
Postage/Insurance $15 x2 (May vary)
In Person Interview/Photo/Prints in Chelsea Massachusetts x2
Travel/Toll/Parking/Hotel Cost $500 (May vary)
Processing Time can vary between 3 – 9 Months
Non Resident Massachusetts Renewals (May Issue)
Good for 1 Year (Massachusetts State Police Temporary Permit)
You WILL NOT receive an automatic Renewal Application. Apply 180 days prior to expiration.
Renewals can be performed via mail each year with Supporting Documents and Passport Photograph. You will only be required to appear In Person to Apply once every 6 years.
Must Have Home State Permit
Must Show “Cause”
Paper Application $100
Self Addressed Stamped Envelope $0.50
Postage/Insurance
Processing Time can vary between 3 – 6 Months


Carry/Self Defense Insurance Annual Cost $450 (Cost varies)
Self Defense Insurance is not required but it’s wise if you can afford it. Some States do not allow Self Defense Insurance.


There are other great Non Resident Permits such as Texas, Arizona, Virginia, and West Virginia, but we felt they were unnecessary based on our existing Permit Overlap Coverage.

Due to Reciprocity Agreements, the above Carry Permits allow us to Carry in 43 States, and Washington D.C.

We still can’t get Permits to Carry for HI, NJ, NY, and CA due to May/No Issue Policies. We can’t Carry in Colorado because they don’t honor Non Resident Permits, and they don’t issue Permits to Non Residents. We can’t get a Permit to Carry in Oregon or Illinois because they only issue to Non-Residents of “particular” States, and Maryland Residents are not one of them.

When you add up all the above, which does NOT include Range Time/Practice, Photocopies/Digital Scanning of Required Documents, Time away from Work/Family, we have spent $6579.00. This averages to approximately $10.00 per day for my Wife and I to Carry in 43 States, Washington D.C, and Puerto Rico. That’s $300.00 a Month or $3600.00 per year!

$6579.00 is not a typo. That number does not include the cost of our Carry Firearms, Purchase Licensing/Paperwork Fees, or Carry Equipment.

You can save on hundreds if not thousands on Mandatory Training if you find Instructors who offer COMBINED Classes. Plan your Trips and Training out, and do your research.

Insane isn’t it?

U.S. Supreme Court, are you listening?

This took a lot of time to do and to write-up! Thanks so much for sharing!!!

 

[clandestine]

Thanks for the kind words.

 

[omegared24]

This is good info. Thanks for sharing.

Pricing people out is just as good as passing laws. They are the same thing.

 

[Bob A]

The day may come when Clandestine's experience might figure in a lawsuit. Such a massive infringement seems like a natural issue for the ever-expanding Commerce Clause. 6 grand and more to exercise an enumerated right across state lines is a disgusting state of affairs.

 

[Quadtree]

Spectacular information!

 

[Matlack]

Of your premits, 3 states (MD, RI, MA) and DC take up $4241 of your costs. Thats just under 65% of your costs.

MD, you live in and DC is close, also in DC you are limited on where you can carry. Even then, unless I am spending significant time in those localities, there is little reason to get a permit there. Utah or FL is sufficient for most people with a cost of under $400 for either. Either gets you roughly 34 states, there are a few for either that restricts reciprocity for residents only. Florida is good for 7 years and Utah is good for 5. PA makes sense for cost and proximity to MD. For many people, spending the extra $6k doesnt make much sense to carry in places they may very well never go or want to carry in. To get you to your total you had to get non-resident permits in those specific states. That is a great deal of effort and cost for little gain. I do appreciate the information. As an average MD citizen I would get UT, FL, and PA; about $750. If I had a viable may issue reason, I would get MD as well.

Best case scenario, we get a good ruling out of SCOTUS and things get easier and cheaper.

 

[Bob A]

As an average MD citizen I would get UT, FL, and PA; about $750. If I had a viable may issue reason, I would get MD as well.

I think that you cannot get a PA permit unless you have one from your state of residence.

From the PA State Police website:
Persons who are 21 years of age or older and are NOT Pennsylvania residents may apply for a license. Submit a completed application for a Pennsylvania License to Carry Firearms to any Pennsylvania county sheriff's office along with the required fee. A Pennsylvania license cannot be issued to a resident of another state who does not have a current license, permit, or similar document to carry a firearm issued by their home state.

I think that open carry, outside Philadelphia, is allowed without a permit.