Montgomery County Council Receives Briefing on Juvenile Justice, Crime, and Public Safety Issues

[Afrikeber]

FEAR NOT!

"Mink said a victim need not appear in the community conferencing program, although she said that’s how it “works best.” But, she added, “a group from the community” can serve as a proxy for the victim “and engage in the conversation with the person who committed the harm.”

I know I found that repulsive, how dare they replace my personal impact and my experience with some jack azz.

 

[mpollan1]

This is the way...

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/...ition-after-shooting-in-penn-quarter/3456217/

 

[mpollan1]

A new concept from you guessed it California…..
Sounds to me like the COURTS want to bounce this problem back on the community impacted.
https://www.courts.ca.gov/documents/BTB24-2C-01.pdf

These people would be absolute failures in a business environment, or any environment where actions have consequences. Root cause analysis is as foreign of a concept as accountability. Shame on us and our complacency allowing society to sink to such depths. Yes, I do believe we all share in this to greater or lesser extent.

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

When I read the title of this thread, my first reaction was, " this ought to be good." Sarcasm intended.

Now to go back to the beginning and see what it says and what all you guys think.

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

I know I found that repulsive, how dare they replace my personal impact and my experience with some jack azz.

I totally concur as a "victim" x3 at least. AND this is me in Carroll County but also MD, due to what we live with every day, MD's soft on crime policies.

Flash back to 2012, My neighbor a few doors down in our row of 7 houses on our 1/4 mile of street had a mid 30's son and at the time about a 13-14 year old grandson. The son entered my home while I was away one day and relieved me of enough property to warrant numerous felony charges. He got an original sentence of 10 years, reduced to 6.5 at trial. Within the 1st year, I made an appearance before the parole hearing board to petition against any early release from Hagerstown Prison. The petition was granted. BUT I had no idea that within another year or 2, I somehow would not receive any follow up notices for appearance to plead my case.

So, by 2014, it gets better, his then 15 year old son pulls the same crap. This time at his hearing, the DJS and judge deem that the same level of felony crime from a Juvey, nets him an ankle bracelet, expected restrictions on his movement, and of course monitoring by the system. I find out that is was only a few month's time before he is passing by my house walking freely up and down the street. A call to Carroll County and I am informed that his probationary period was up and he was no longer tethered to his anklet or grandmother's house. OH JOY,

Now, my next present from Md. Somewhere around 2016 or so, I find out the dad got released from Hagerstown and is now back residing at the grandmother's house basically a little over 3 years into his original "10--- 6.5 year sentence" This father, now getting close to 40 yrs old was a known career repeat offender from as far back as his school days, and yet, he is back out in society. The definition of a lifetime of recidivism if I ever saw it.

One might expect that as a part of the conditions of his parole from PRISON, that the felon would be regularly tested for drug use, and accountable to a parole officer. Yet upon one of my trips back home, a neighbor on the other side of me tells me the news. This is roughly in the Spring of 2021, he said that I won't ever need to worry about my "problem."
The father died of an OD at his mother's house in January 2021. So much for the justice system.

 

[Sunrise]

And in the meantime 13 year olds fvck around and find out like the 13 year old car hijacker did and got shot and killed by the owner. That’s rehabilitative enough for me!

It's so pathetic. These kids are emulating what they see the older youth and adults do, and they think they can get away with it like they do.

Some problems ultimately solve themselves.

 

[Sunrise]

Looks like Montgomery County has a new solution. Now the victims get victimized twice with “Community Confrencing”

‘This is a crisis’: Montgomery Co. panel explores juvenile crime, possible actions

‘This is a crisis’: Montgomery Co. panel explores juvenile crime, possible actions - WTOP News

While juvenile crime statewide is below pre-pandemic levels, the numbers for particular offenses are way up, according to the Montgomery County State’s Attorney.

wtop.com

Luedtke said measures are needed “to help that child understand what they did, and to help their parents understand what they did.” She added that she doesn’t see that happening.

These "kids" aren't kids in character. They are grown-up sociopaths because of the environment that surrounds them on a daily basis. Of course it isn't happening.

“The juvenile justice system is broken. It is broken because there are not programs for kids,” State’s Attorney McCarthy said.

What’s needed, he emphasized, are “resources, resources, resources, programs, programs, programs.”

No. What's needed is separation from society. That's what prison is for. This man's radical empathy endangers the entire community. There is no value to the community which comes from these kids being out of prison.

Both council members and police agreed that simply locking kids up is not the solution.

“We have been accused of simply wanting to just arrest juveniles as a way of solving the problems of our society,” Montgomery County Police Chief Marcus Jones said. “We know that doesn’t work, it’s never worked.”

It doesn't work when you don't do it you idiot. You're just not willing to arrest enough people and keep them in prison long enough.

While restorative justice programs are used in schools, Luedtke said they require that the victim be amenable, too.

“Not all victims are going to be OK with saying ‘I’m going to sit here and have a restorative circle with the person who harmed me,'” Luedtke said.

WTF is this. Are they serious?

 

[Sunrise]

"Last week, a high school student was found with a firearm at Walter Johnson High School in Bethesda. On the same day, students at Fairland Elementary School found a gun in a trash can on campus."

Hunter Biden, AGAIN!

Haha.

I wonder if anyone will be charged under Bill 21-22E for that.

 

[Sunrise]

A new concept from you guessed it California…..
Sounds to me like the COURTS want to bounce this problem back on the community impacted.
https://www.courts.ca.gov/documents/BTB24-2C-01.pdf

Of course. What a clown show concept.

Justice needs to be delivered from the justice system. That's what it's for.

 

[Sunrise]

FEAR NOT!

"Mink said a victim need not appear in the community conferencing program, although she said that’s how it “works best.” But, she added, “a group from the community” can serve as a proxy for the victim “and engage in the conversation with the person who committed the harm.”

The only engagement needed is handcuffs and a cell door locking.

GTFO with the rest of this crap.

 

[Sunrise]

When I read the title of this thread, my first reaction was, " this ought to be good." Sarcasm intended.

Now to go back to the beginning and see what it says and what all you guys think.

I tried to keep it as neutral as possible....

The $h!t$how speaks for itself.

 

[Sunrise]

I totally concur as a "victim" x3 at least. AND this is me in Carroll County but also MD, due to what we live with every day, MD's soft on crime policies.

Flash back to 2012, My neighbor a few doors down in our row of 7 houses on our 1/4 mile of street had a mid 30's son and at the time about a 13-14 year old grandson. The son entered my home while I was away one day and relieved me of enough property to warrant numerous felony charges. He got an original sentence of 10 years, reduced to 6.5 at trial. Within the 1st year, I made an appearance before the parole hearing board to petition against any early release from Hagerstown Prison. The petition was granted. BUT I had no idea that within another year or 2, I somehow would not receive any follow up notices for appearance to plead my case.

So, by 2014, it gets better, his then 15 year old son pulls the same crap. This time at his hearing, the DJS and judge deem that the same level of felony crime from a Juvey, nets him an ankle bracelet, expected restrictions on his movement, and of course monitoring by the system. I find out that is was only a few month's time before he is passing by my house walking freely up and down the street. A call to Carroll County and I am informed that his probationary period was up and he was no longer tethered to his anklet or grandmother's house. OH JOY,

Now, my next present from Md. Somewhere around 2016 or so, I find out the dad got released from Hagerstown and is now back residing at the grandmother's house basically a little over 3 years into his original "10--- 6.5 year sentence" This father, now getting close to 40 yrs old was a known career repeat offender from as far back as his school days, and yet, he is back out in society. The definition of a lifetime of recidivism if I ever saw it.

One might expect that as a part of the conditions of his parole from PRISON, that the felon would be regularly tested for drug use, and accountable to a parole officer. Yet upon one of my trips back home, a neighbor on the other side of me tells me the news. This is roughly in the Spring of 2021, he said that I won't ever need to worry about my "problem."
The father died of an OD at his mother's house in January 2021. So much for the justice system.

Interesting story. Wow.

The justice system is unfortunately about radical empathy with this restorative crap, not about protecting the community.

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

Interesting story. Wow.

The justice system is unfortunately about radical empathy with this restorative crap, not about protecting the community.

In case race comes into question, the perps in my case are as redneck white as they come.

Oh and we also have some way better Black and Latino members of our community that are so far more law abiding than my own neighbor, drug addicts were.

Another interesting side note during one or both of my initial incidents happened in the presence of the Carroll County Sheriffs and Detectives while I was explaining what I saw happened relating to my losses.
They asked me why I waited apparently a day or 2 or even weeks or more to report things.
Almost as if to be accusing me of trying to pull one over on them or insurance etc by not reporting it within minutes or hours or something of it happening.

My answer was that in the 1st "robbery" I obviously wasn't home, and it took until the time I verified my belongs to be missing, then I called them upon doing so.

When the 15 year old did it, I was likely in a point where I was home in the evenings, the robbery happened during the day, and I got a feeler put out with the neighborhood kids and parents as to if they possibly had any info or suspicions. When one neighbor boy from around the corner, told my next door neighbor that the son of my first Perp might be the most likely, it was then that I called the police and we were now going down this road again.

After a good number of hours investigating, DNA and fingerprinting, not only did the police try to find any of my items in and around my property, the yard between mine and the perp's grandmother's house. The crazy and unexpected thing they did find was apparently 35+ Pot plants growing behind the vacant house between our 2 houses. No proof of this, but suspicion was raised that the crook also was the grower. I obviously had no clue that they were there.

 

[Afrikeber]

Luedtke said measures are needed “to help that child understand what they did, and to help their parents understand what they did.” She added that she doesn’t see that happening.

These "kids" aren't kids in character. They are grown-up sociopaths because of the environment that surrounds them on a daily basis. Of course it isn't happening.

“The juvenile justice system is broken. It is broken because there are not programs for kids,” State’s Attorney McCarthy said.

What’s needed, he emphasized, are “resources, resources, resources, programs, programs, programs.”

No. What's needed is separation from society. That's what prison is for. This man's radical empathy endangers the entire community. There is no value to the community which comes from these kids being out of prison.

Both council members and police agreed that simply locking kids up is not the solution.

“We have been accused of simply wanting to just arrest juveniles as a way of solving the problems of our society,” Montgomery County Police Chief Marcus Jones said. “We know that doesn’t work, it’s never worked.”

It doesn't work when you don't do it you idiot. You're just not willing to arrest enough people and keep them in prison long enough.

While restorative justice programs are used in schools, Luedtke said they require that the victim be amenable, too.

“Not all victims are going to be OK with saying ‘I’m going to sit here and have a restorative circle with the person who harmed me,'” Luedtke said.

WTF is this. Are they serious?

Yea, your last paragraph quotation of what MC is saying really got my goat.

You damn right I won’t be ok with it! But who gave you(MC) the right to devalue my not being ok with it?

 

[babalou]

Juvenile crime beginning to surge after COVID to pre COVID levels. Child abuse is down 67%. Carjacking levels up over 200%.

I wonder if there is a correlation there.

heh heh

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

heh heh

I see what you did there too. Child abuse is down 67%. Carjacking levels up over 200%.

 

[RFBfromDE]

Yea, your last paragraph quotation of what MC is saying really got my goat.

You damn right I won’t be ok with it! But who gave you(MC) the right to devalue my not being ok with it?

You should be grateful that The Village has stepped up to the plate for you!

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

Yea, your last paragraph quotation of what MC is saying really got my goat.

You damn right I won’t be ok with it! But who gave you(MC) the right to devalue my not being ok with it?

I totally agree.

forgive me if I hit the target despite shooting falsehood arrows.
But, is this not an example of Socialist way of approaching law? Have a criminal do wrong to someone, then instead of punishing the wrongdoer and restoring the wronged, they make the wronged either neutered or blamed for the wrongdoer being disadvantaged and thus making them the true victim?

In essence, F you law abiding, hard working citizen.

 

[babalou]

I see what you did there too. Child abuse is down 67%. Carjacking levels up over 200%.

my mee-maw would make me get my switch when I acted up

 

[RFBfromDE]

my mee-maw would make me get my switch when I acted up

Wood spoon or flyswatter.