Montgomery County Council Receives Briefing on Juvenile Justice, Crime, and Public Safety Issues

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  • RFBfromDE

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    Is that nice?

    Police described the suspect as a Black man who is approximately 6-foot tall with a thin build who appears to have a permanent injury to one eye and wears his hair in long dreadlocks.

    :rofl:
     

    Sunrise

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    Is that nice?

    Police described the suspect as a Black man who is approximately 6-foot tall with a thin build who appears to have a permanent injury to one eye and wears his hair in long dreadlocks.

    :rofl:
    Haha. At least they described him.

    Yeah, that's a low bar.
     

    RFBfromDE

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    Who says there are no restorative justice success stories?


    "The 16-year-old was charged as an adult, and transported to the Montgomery County Central Processing Unit. At the time of this arrest, the 16-year-old had an active arrest warrant for a carjacking that he allegedly committed on Wednesday, Nov. 8 in Rockville.

    The 15-year-old was transported to a juvenile detention center. That teen has also been charged with an armed carjacking that occurred on Tuesday, Nov. 7 in Wheaton."

    OK. Not this time. But I'm sure there is one out there!
     

    Sunrise

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    Who says there are no restorative justice success stories?


    "The 16-year-old was charged as an adult, and transported to the Montgomery County Central Processing Unit. At the time of this arrest, the 16-year-old had an active arrest warrant for a carjacking that he allegedly committed on Wednesday, Nov. 8 in Rockville.

    The 15-year-old was transported to a juvenile detention center. That teen has also been charged with an armed carjacking that occurred on Tuesday, Nov. 7 in Wheaton."

    OK. Not this time. But I'm sure there is one out there!

    I'll bet the data is the same wherever you go:


    A 2021-2022 review of Washington D.C.’s restorative justice program tracked 659 kids six months, nine months and a year after release. Eighteen percent were caught committing a new crime within six months, 26% reoffended within nine months, and 37% reoffended within a year. Yet, even with repeated arrests in some cases, juvenile accountability and rehabilitation remains elusive. Despite millions of dollars spent on restorative justice programs, a significant percentage of kids re-offend within months of release.

    Total failure.
     

    mpollan1

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    I'll bet the data is the same wherever you go:


    A 2021-2022 review of Washington D.C.’s restorative justice program tracked 659 kids six months, nine months and a year after release. Eighteen percent were caught committing a new crime within six months, 26% reoffended within nine months, and 37% reoffended within a year. Yet, even with repeated arrests in some cases, juvenile accountability and rehabilitation remains elusive. Despite millions of dollars spent on restorative justice programs, a significant percentage of kids re-offend within months of release.

    Total failure.
    And this completely omits those that were not caught commiting a crime and also likely those that were caught but not booked.
     

    Sunrise

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    Police say 18-year-old Joseph Frank De-La-Paz, a 16-year-old, and a 15-year-old have all been charged with carjacking, assault and robbery.

    De-La-Paz was transported to the Montgomery County Central Processing Unit.

    The 16-year-old was charged as an adult, and transported to the Montgomery County Central Processing Unit. At the time of this arrest, the 16-year-old had an active arrest warrant for a carjacking that he allegedly committed on Wednesday, Nov. 8 in Rockville.

    The 15-year-old was transported to a juvenile detention center. That teen has also been charged with an armed carjacking that occurred on Tuesday, Nov. 7 in Wheaton.


    Downtown Bethesda.
     

    Bob A

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    "A 2021-2022 review of Washington D.C.’s restorative justice program tracked 659 kids six months, nine months and a year after release. Eighteen percent were caught committing a new crime within six months, 26% reoffended within nine months, and 37% reoffended within a year. Yet, even with repeated arrests in some cases, juvenile accountability and rehabilitation remains elusive. Despite millions of dollars spent on restorative justice programs, a significant percentage of kids re-offend within months of release."

    That recidivist group is comprised of the thugs that weren't smart enough to evade capture. No telling how many offenders learned a few techniques about avoiding arrest and prosecution, although a diminished police presence, a force of new hires, and the presumed police reluctance to bother arresting folks who will be back on the street before the paperwork is done may play into the totals as well.
     

    Sunrise

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    "A 2021-2022 review of Washington D.C.’s restorative justice program tracked 659 kids six months, nine months and a year after release. Eighteen percent were caught committing a new crime within six months, 26% reoffended within nine months, and 37% reoffended within a year. Yet, even with repeated arrests in some cases, juvenile accountability and rehabilitation remains elusive. Despite millions of dollars spent on restorative justice programs, a significant percentage of kids re-offend within months of release."

    That recidivist group is comprised of the thugs that weren't smart enough to evade capture. No telling how many offenders learned a few techniques about avoiding arrest and prosecution, although a diminished police presence, a force of new hires, and the presumed police reluctance to bother arresting folks who will be back on the street before the paperwork is done may play into the totals as well.
    Yup. Great point.

    This data shows the complete and total failure of these programs and the incredible danger they put the community in as a result of them.

    At some point you'd think leadership would look at the recidivism numbers alone and say: "This isn't working." Nope. They're all-in on this and they expect you to be as well... bigot.
     
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    tallen702

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    "A 2021-2022 review of Washington D.C.’s restorative justice program tracked 659 kids six months, nine months and a year after release. Eighteen percent were caught committing a new crime within six months, 26% reoffended within nine months, and 37% reoffended within a year. Yet, even with repeated arrests in some cases, juvenile accountability and rehabilitation remains elusive. Despite millions of dollars spent on restorative justice programs, a significant percentage of kids re-offend within months of release."

    That recidivist group is comprised of the thugs that weren't smart enough to evade capture. No telling how many offenders learned a few techniques about avoiding arrest and prosecution, although a diminished police presence, a force of new hires, and the presumed police reluctance to bother arresting folks who will be back on the street before the paperwork is done may play into the totals as well.
    That's an 81% recidivism rate. Abject failure.
     

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    According to DC Police, 458 young people have been arrested for violent crimes in the first nine months of 2023. According to the Office of the State Superintendent of Education (OSSE), last school year an average of 43% of all D.C. students were deemed chronically absent, meaning they missed more than 10% of school.

    The numbers are even worse when you zero in on high school. Attendance is abysmal: At Anacostia High School 82% were chronically absent, Ballou High School 88%, and at Dunbar High School 82%.


    Curious how bad this is in Montgomery County....

    Oh here it is:



    "Our Hispanic students have stood as having the highest chronic absenteeism rate followed by our Black and African American students," said Steve Neff, MCPS Director of Pupil Personnel & Attendance Services.

    According to MCPS, chronic absenteeism is also high among Emerging Multilingual Learners and special education students.



    Data from Montgomery County schools shows that low-income students and students of color were more likely to be chronically absent. Nearly 18 percent of Black students were chronically absent during the 2022-23 school year, and about 30 percent of Black students enrolled in the district’s free-and-reduced lunch program were chronically absent. Thirty-two percent of Hispanic students were chronically absent, and about 42 percent of Hispanic students enrolled in free-and-reduced lunch programs were chronically absent.

    Meanwhile, about 15 percent of other students were chronically absent, the district said.



    Council member Gabe Albornoz noted that, according to demographic data provided by the school system, 31.5% of the students who are chronically absent are Hispanic. That’s double the number of white students and nearly 12 percentage points above Black students who are chronically absent.

    Albornoz, who served as the director of the county’s recreation department in the past, called the data “incredibly alarming” and said, “I’ve been there, and we’re seeing it again — we’re seeing an increase in gang activity.”


    Meet your criminals.
     
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    Bob A

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    According to DC Police, 458 young people have been arrested for violent crimes in the first nine months of 2023. According to the Office of the State Superintendent of Education (OSSE), last school year an average of 43% of all D.C. students were deemed chronically absent, meaning they missed more than 10% of school.

    Data from Montgomery County schools shows that low-income students and
    Topstudents of color were more likely to be chronically absent. Nearly 18 percent of Black students were chronically absent during the 2022-23 school year, and about 30 percent of Black students enrolled in the district’s free-and-reduced lunch program were chronically absent. Thirty-two percent of Hispanic students were chronically absent, and about 42 percent of Hispanic students enrolled in free-and-reduced lunch programs were chronically absent.


    Council member Gabe Albornoz noted that, according to demographic data provided by the school system, 31.5% of the students who are chronically absent are Hispanic. That’s double the number of white students and nearly 12 percentage points above Black students who are chronically absent.

    Albornoz, who served as the director of the county’s recreation department in the past, called the data “incredibly alarming” and said, “I’ve been there, and we’re seeing it again — we’re seeing an increase in gang activity.”


    Meet your criminals.

    Meet your criminals, indeed. The authorities believe that the situation will be improved for everyone if they force the criminal element to stay in the schools.

    Certainly that will improve classroom behavior, provide a diverse environment for kids who want to learn, provide a drug-free educational experience, and provide equal discipline for all students.

    It will also shrink school enrollments dramatically, through encouraging alternate sources of schooling, and the attrition of those left behind.
     

    Sunrise

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    In September, Montgomery County State’s Attorney John McCarthy told 7News Maryland Bureau Chief Brad Bell that juvenile justice reforms that state lawmakers passed two sessions ago have made his job more difficult.

    "I recognize the motivations and the reasons why these changes were made. I am in sympathy with them but there were certain things that were done that I don’t think people didn’t understand the consequences of what they were doing," McCarthy said in September.


    No John. They knew exactly what they were doing.
     

    whistlersmother

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    In September, Montgomery County State’s Attorney John McCarthy told 7News Maryland Bureau Chief Brad Bell that juvenile justice reforms that state lawmakers passed two sessions ago have made his job more difficult.

    "I recognize the motivations and the reasons why these changes were made. I am in sympathy with them but there were certain things that were done that I don’t think people didn’t understand the consequences of what they were doing," McCarthy said in September.


    No John. They knew exactly what they were doing.
    I would posit that those writing the bills knew what they were doing.

    Those that voted for it went with herd mentality and didn't bother understanding the consequences.

    "Its for the children" still has great weight behind it.

    I suspect the MGA will double down by proposing UBI for children to keep them off the streets...
     

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