Montgomery County data shows ongoing major challenges with police staffing, recruitment

[Bob A]

Elrich looks within county police department for new chief

Montgomery County Executive Marc Elrich says he is looking within the county police department for a replacement for retiring Chief Marcus Jones.

moco360.media

He said the candidates, whom he did not name, would be interviewed by a team of county leaders before he interviewed them during the first week of April.

If an internal candidate doesn’t make the cut, Elrich said the county will hire a firm to conduct a national search.

Shouldn't be hard to find a suckup libtard in the upper ranks of the department. Far as I'm aware, that's the only qualification for selecting the Top Men.

 

[Sunrise]

Shouldn't be hard to find a suckup libtard in the upper ranks of the department. Far as I'm aware, that's the only qualification for selecting the Top Men.

I fully expect him to pick someone who falls right in line.

The department is well past the inflection point on decline. It's in a doom spiral.

 

[Bob A]

I fully expect him to pick someone who falls right in line.

The department is well past the inflection point on decline. It's in a doom spiral.

There's some ironic amusement to be had in the thought that MCPD brass would falling line with the idea that the police are public enemies, and the force should be diminished.

Of course, the quality is already being diminished, as the best are departing as fast as they can from a department that fails to value and support their mission.

 

[Sunrise]

There's some ironic amusement to be had in the thought that MCPD brass would falling line with the idea that the police are public enemies, and the force should be diminished.

Of course, the quality is already being diminished, as the best are departing as fast as they can from a department that fails to value and support their mission.

At some point this has to bottom out and change direction.

Maybe the Purple Line opening in Bethesda will finally do it.

 

[Bob A]

At some point this has to bottom out and change direction.

Maybe the Purple Line opening in Bethesda will finally do it.

It depends on the resolve of the "leadership."

The race to the bottom has no bottom when the Socialists are running the show.

 

[RFBfromDE]

We need more bottom!

 

[MaxVO2]

We need more bottom!

****Hmm.

 

[rbird7282]

Elrich speaks to MoCo PD's officer shortage and its recruiting troubles. (@18:11)

Says that the Education Requirement and the Accrediting Commission's Prior Cannabis Usage rule hinders recruitment.

So they now won't ask about past cannabis use during recruitment and will require that applicants commit to not using it moving forward during training and their career as required by Federal Law.

He also wants to eliminate/modify the college degree requirement as well.

Thoughts?

Thoughts? He's a fvcking idiot. Their recruitment sucks because of all of the anti-police behavior of the city council and politicians. They do everything to neuter the police and hinder their ability to do their jobs. Now their solution is to lower standards to get more police. That should work out great.
My god these people are stupid as fvck.
I've had two friends who were police officers and they have both retired and are working in other jobs. I know we have several members here in law enforcement and my hat is off to you, I have no idea how you put up with this sh*t.

 

[rbird7282]

****Hmm.

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[2flhun]

There's some ironic amusement to be had in the thought that MCPD brass would falling line with the idea that the police are public enemies, and the force should be diminished.

Of course, the quality is already being diminished, as the best are departing as fast as they can from a department that fails to value and support their mission.

They have to have thick skin to stand in the same room or at the same event with Elrich, Mink, Jawando, the SSJC and "Advisory Boards"

And for Ravens fans, this is her husband:

Ryan Mink - Editorial Director - Baltimore Ravens​

I would bet that they do not attend games where First Responders are honored. In her eyes, police are only good for changing her flat tire

 

[2flhun]

Our County Executive and almost all of the Council Members do not give a crap. The only 2 that I have interacted with who may care a little, are Balcombe and Luedtke. Neither has any sway over the other CMs

Luedtke's husband is the Chief Legislative Officer for the MD Governor.

OH, and the MCPD staffing....... here is the latest

 

[Sunrise]

Our County Executive and almost all of the Council Members do not give a crap. The only 2 that I have interacted with who may care a little, are Balcombe and Luedtke. Neither has any sway over the other CMs

Luedtke's husband is the Chief Legislative Officer for the MD Governor.

OH, and the MCPD staffing....... here is the latest

The department is in a doom spiral.

Pulling out of this dive will require massive changes in policy/leadership which I don't think MoCo is capable of doing.

 

[Sunrise]

This is the right answer. If you can't even get enough people in the door to do the work, do you think the training schedule is going to be very good?

There is no doubt in my mind that there are many brave, well-meaning men and women in MoCo's police force. Unfortunately, you lower standards, you're going to wind up with people who shouldn't be there.

Absolutely right. The department is stuck in a feedback doom loop.

It's headed down to 1,000 sworn officers at some point. The recruiting classes simply aren't giving them the numbers to turn this around.

 

[Sunrise]

This. He embodies SO MANY MoCo residents so closely that it's uncanny.

Yup. He definitely does.

He's like the Riddler's Brain Machine which sucked up all their bad ideas and wokeness into one body who's in charge.

 

[Afrikeber]

Over the decades of my exposure, MCPD went from one extreme to another and neither are good.

 

[spoon059]

OH, and the MCPD staffing....... here is the latest

I'm not sure I believe those numbers either. Between officers on medical leave, light duty or administrative leave I'm sure we are just over 1,000 operational officers. That's in a county with 1.1 million official residents... not including all those that can't be counted for one reason or another.

The IACP used to recommend 4 officers per 100,000, now they recommend 3.4 officers per 100,000. Nationwide, the US has 2.4 officers per 100,000.

Even if you believe the County's numbers, that puts us at well under HALF that staffing level.

Defund the police baby! It's a phenomenal idea!

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[MaxVO2]

I'm not sure I believe those numbers either. Between officers on medical leave, light duty or administrative leave I'm sure we are just over 1,000 operational officers. That's in a county with 1.1 million official residents... not including all those that can't be counted for one reason or another.

The IACP used to recommend 4 officers per 100,000, now they recommend 3.4 officers per 100,000. Nationwide, the US has 2.4 officers per 100,000.

Even if you believe the County's numbers, that puts us at well under HALF that staffing level.

Defund the police baby! It's a phenomenal idea!

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****Those number above cannot be right! 4 officers per 100k? You must mean 10k, or some other much lower number like 1000.

With 1.1 million residents that’s only 41 officers for 1.1 million people!

 

[Sunrise]

Thoughts? He's a fvcking idiot. Their recruitment sucks because of all of the anti-police behavior of the city council and politicians. They do everything to neuter the police and hinder their ability to do their jobs. Now their solution is to lower standards to get more police. That should work out great.
My god these people are stupid as fvck.
I've had two friends who were police officers and they have both retired and are working in other jobs. I know we have several members here in law enforcement and my hat is off to you, I have no idea how you put up with this sh*t.

Elrich and his supporters would rather rule over MoCo’s ashes than have someone replace him.

We saw that in the last MoCo election. Thousands of people who had their cars stolen or who were victims of other crimes pulled the lever for Elrich instead of the comparatively pro-safety Democrat in the Primary and the pro-safety Republican alternative.

Elrich defeated David Blair, who ran on a comparatively strong public safety platform in the Democrat Primary, by only 32 votes.

This means that a substantial number of Elrich voters had their cars stolen in the past few years and they simply didn't care. Having their car(s) stolen wasn't enough to make enough of them vote for someone different in their own party's Primary and voice their rejection for the failures of the incumbent. When it came to the General Election, they voted for the incumbent over a Republican challenger (Reardon Sullivan) who had a strong public safety platform as well. No surprise there.

 

[2flhun]

The department is in a doom spiral.

Pulling out of this dive will require massive changes in policy/leadership which I don't think MoCo is capable of doing.

The only mechanism for recalling the Council Members, belongs to the County Council.

They could be voted out (HA!), but it seems that the most recently elected council members are more "Progressive" that the previous ones.

Current policies are driven by the Silver Spring/Wheaton/Takoma Park Council Members. Katz is term limited. I do not know who will run for his seat, but fear that whomever it is will make Katz seem like Chuck Norris.

MoCo has been under 1 party rule since 2006. Blue Dog Democrats no longer exist.
409K registered Democrat Voters
157K registered Unaffiliated Voters
97K registered Republican Voters
smattering of Green Party, Communist, Libertarian voters

If there were to be some miraculous change in thought/leadership/policy, it would take a long, long time for the MCPD to recover their numbers.

 

[Sunrise]

I'm not sure I believe those numbers either. Between officers on medical leave, light duty or administrative leave I'm sure we are just over 1,000 operational officers. That's in a county with 1.1 million official residents... not including all those that can't be counted for one reason or another.

The IACP used to recommend 4 officers per 100,000, now they recommend 3.4 officers per 100,000. Nationwide, the US has 2.4 officers per 100,000.

Even if you believe the County's numbers, that puts us at well under HALF that staffing level.

Defund the police baby! It's a phenomenal idea!

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****Those number above cannot be right! 4 officers per 100k? You must mean 10k, or some other much lower number like 1000.

With 1.1 million residents that’s only 41 officers for 1.1 million people!

Yup. MoCo PD's officer staffing level is about half of what it should be for a county this size. There's a Legislative Report on it which County Leadership received a while back: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/council/Resources/Files/agenda/cm/2022/20220131/20220131_PS2.pdf

"The Committee has received regular updates on Police staffing and is well aware that while the Department’s staff has historically been lower than the average for similarly-sized jurisdictions, Montgomery County continued to have relatively low crime rates. After taking significant budget cuts during the great recession, Police staffing increased slowly over the past 10 years, from 1,159 authorized sworn positions in FY12 to a high of 1,306 in FY21."

............

"For FY22, MCPD has an authorized sworn complement of 1,281 officers. This number reflects 1.2 officers per 1,000 residents. It is significantly lower than the average 2.8 officers per capita reported for counties, and the 2.5 officers per capita reported for suburban areas. While per capita staffing is just one measure of police department strength, it is important to note that MCPD’s per capita staffing has remained about 1.2 for almost 20 years."

As you said @spoon059 , it's even worse now.