Need suggestions on survival gun purchase

[Pinecone]

The advantage of a .22 over larger calibers is in taking small game for food. Hit s squirrel with a .223 and you won't have much left to eat.

Instead of a takedown or similr, why not get a pack that will carry a regular rifle? Like some of the offerings from Eberstock or similar? They have packs designed to carry a full sized sniper rifle.

Another thought for dual use is a AR-15 with a .22 conversion. .223 for larger game and defense, .22 for small game.

Maybe a nice underbarrel 12 gauge. Like the grenade launcher, but smaller for birds.

 

[hvymax]

What is the take down procedure for this?

Pretty sure the same as the Matched pair. Unscrew sling stud, pull forend off open action.

 

[matt_yamaha_guy_450]

Maybe smith and wesson governor? .45acp, .45lc, .410 just an idea

 

[Waz]

Survival, that is the key word...

guess where you are or plan to be while surviving would dictate the type of firearm you choose.

i think this should be a pretty important consideration. is it a "i got lost in the woods while camping" type situation? did a natural disaster forced you to leave your house quickly? natural disaster forces you to STAY in your house? economy collapses and hunting is now the main means of feeding yourself... your family.

zombies? aliens? etc...

i think the .22 ammo weight is only a huge factor if you're survival is dependant on mobility.

 

[Long1MD]

If money is not an issue, I would recommend the FN Five Seven. The round is small enough not to destroy your food (depending on the round) and there are you tube videos claiming accuracy up to 250 yards with recoil the same or less than a 22.

 

[byf43]

I am suprised no one mentioned the AK47 for survival? Cleans with urine, lubes with mud. What's not to love???

"I don't want no Rooskie rifle!"​

 

[Long1MD]

well ak is not the lightest critter and is extremely loud and mucho recoil

 

[Mooseman]

The 10/22 Takedown is a great choice. I love mine.

 

[BenL]

What is the take down procedure for this?

After I took the photo, I replaced the takedown bolt with a bolt with a knob on it; the threading is the same as a camera's tripod mount, so finding a bolt that fit was extremely easy.

The bolt holds the foregrip in place (it's just behind the front sling stud.) You break the gun open, take the bolt out, the foregrip comes off, and you "unhook" the barrel from the receiver. It takes about 20 seconds.

The whole thing fits perfectly in a Skinner Scabbard roll bag type "folding takedown" case. Packed up, it's ~19"x5"x4", and has space for the scoped gun, AAC 762SD suppressor, and 50 rounds of ammo (each has their own compartments.) Very low profile. I even have a sling with quick detaches that work as a carry strap for the case.

Keep in mind, the gun is tiny. It's a very compact package with enough power to easily take a deer or other medium game and with 220gr bullets, it's quieter than a pellet gun.

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[Sirex]

As far as survival, for hunting I have no problem with .22. But for defensive purposes, due to it's range, size and the experiences I have had with hammer stikes and no bang, I would not bet my life on it. AK with folding stock is my choice. Mnaybe not light, but you can hunt with a .30 cal, fend off bad guys, and I'll make the kids carry the ammo if they want to come along. If weight is an issue, maybe an AK74. Maybe I am just too biased, but for me, I can't place my life in a .22 rimfire, sorry. Bear in mind, of course I wouldn't want to be shot with a .22 either, but call me crazy. For critter hunting I would be fine with a .22. As mentioned, the Keltec is a light, folding rifle, but I never felt 100% I could trust my life with it. I hope you find something you like.

 

[SmokingGun]

Love it!

After I took the photo, I replaced the takedown bolt with a bolt with a knob on it; the threading is the same as a camera's tripod mount, so finding a bolt that fit was extremely easy.

The bolt holds the foregrip in place (it's just behind the front sling stud.) You break the gun open, take the bolt out, the foregrip comes off, and you "unhook" the barrel from the receiver. It takes about 20 seconds.

The whole thing fits perfectly in a Skinner Scabbard roll bag type "folding takedown" case. Packed up, it's ~19"x5"x4", and has space for the scoped gun, AAC 762SD suppressor, and 50 rounds of ammo (each has their own compartments.) Very low profile. I even have a sling with quick detaches that work as a carry strap for the case.

Keep in mind, the gun is tiny. It's a very compact package with enough power to easily take a deer or other medium game and with 220gr bullets, it's quieter than a pellet gun.

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[NickZac]

I would venture a guess that the best survival rifle depends on the application it is most likely to be used for...the Henry and Ruger are awesome...on the other side, Mossberg and Remington make shotguns that come in water-tight tubes...if you need something capable of defense, small game, medium game, and large game, a shotgun with a pistol and shoulder stock, maybe with a smooth and rifled barrel, stored with bird, buck, and slugs, could potentially be a good fit. The Mossberg isn't much and it has their marine coating. A Remington 870 is easy to piece together, doesn't cost much, and has legendary reliability. However, if weight is an issue then it may not be practical. IMHO, something like a 10/22 and a shotgun together would be better than just one although I imagine due to weight it may not be possible.

 

[MDcompetition]

Why not an AR? Take down length is less than 10 inches off the 10/22 takedown and you know ammo will be not be scarce.

Good up close and at distance. Also has widely available interchangable parts.

Absolutely correct. And, that as you already know is why the AR platform is so wildly popular. Simplicity of design, availability of parts and lots of inexpensive ammo. And, as stated, the 5.56 NATO round is devastating at close range, but it can still take down the baddie at more than a hundred yards accurately. Maybe that is why there is such a political rush to ban it into oblivion.

 

[AlpineDude67]

I honestly think that if I wanted one single, lightweight gun that I could pack anywhere and use both for subsistence hunting and defense in a pinch, I would get that Savage model 42. You have both a small shotgun and a .22 in one. You could carry a fair bit ammo for it easily. I would buy a small number of those defensive loads for the Judge and a whole mess of .22 and .410 birdshot/buckshot for it.

It is going to be small, light and easy to carry. In a survival situation, concealing it is normally not an issue, so I wouldn't care about breaking it down that much.

I don't own one myself, and though I thought about buying one, I decided against it. It is expensive for what it is and doesn't do anything particularly well. Hunting - it is a single shot with very basic sights - practical accuracy at best. Defense? Well it is better than nothing but with nothing more than a .410 it is underpowered and good luck reloading it under stress. It should allow you to take small game and some birds, but a lot of compromises there.

I decided I would be much better off taking my Marlin 60 and XDm 9mm compact into such a situation, in the very unlikely event it occurred. The Marlin is frighteningly accurate with optics and I have found it to be dead reliable. Anything close in and I have a high capacity pistol that would run circles around the Savage.

Basically, unless you absolutely have to bring only one gun, it is going to be much better to have two. I think that pairing a smallish handgun with a rifle is a great way to go.

 

[Jimbob2.0]

I honestly think that if I wanted one single, lightweight gun that I could pack anywhere and use both for subsistence hunting and defense in a pinch, I would get that Savage model 42. You have both a small shotgun and a .22 in one. You could carry a fair bit ammo for it easily. I would buy a small number of those defensive loads for the Judge and a whole mess of .22 and .410 birdshot/buckshot for it.

It is going to be small, light and easy to carry. In a survival situation, concealing it is normally not an issue, so I wouldn't care about breaking it down that much.

I don't own one myself, and though I thought about buying one, I decided against it. It is expensive for what it is and doesn't do anything particularly well. Hunting - it is a single shot with very basic sights - practical accuracy at best. Defense? Well it is better than nothing but with nothing more than a .410 it is underpowered and good luck reloading it under stress. It should allow you to take small game and some birds, but a lot of compromises there.

I decided I would be much better off taking my Marlin 60 and XDm 9mm compact into such a situation, in the very unlikely event it occurred. The Marlin is frighteningly accurate with optics and I have found it to be dead reliable. Anything close in and I have a high capacity pistol that would run circles around the Savage.

Basically, unless you absolutely have to bring only one gun, it is going to be much better to have two. I think that pairing a smallish handgun with a rifle is a great way to go.

Thats always my issue, if you werent worried about CCW type lawas a Ruger 22/45 lite (or otherwise) would do the job efficiently and without displacing a lot of gear. My Mk III is like shooting a laser.

Being forced into a rifle/carbine takedown just adds uncessary weight for long term packing. So unless you are on the hunt why? If you are care camping just get a 16" barrel carbine in something useful.

 

[jasonk1229]

" i have two words for ya predator drones"

 

[cowboy321]

Ruger 22 is awesome. Ar7 is not awesome.

 

[Jimbob2.0]

Here is one that hasnt been covered, thats about as light as it gets. Frankly this is sort of what I envisioned the M6 becoming if someone had the time and machines to really re-engineer it with low weight materials for the purpose it was built. A throwback to the marbles trapper/pack guns.

http://www.slickguns.com/product/chiappa-little-badger-folding-rifle-22lr-16979-shipped

Certainly cheap enough to give a try and a lot easier to pack than an AR7. I might have to give one a try myself.

 

[Paper Puncher]

Ruger all the way! Although the Papoose brings back memories...

 

[freddie]

Here is one that hasnt been covered, thats about as light as it gets. Frankly this is sort of what I envisioned the M6 becoming if someone had the time and machines to really re-engineer it with low weight materials for the purpose it was built. A throwback to the marbles trapper/pack guns.

http://www.slickguns.com/product/chiappa-little-badger-folding-rifle-22lr-16979-shipped

Certainly cheap enough to give a try and a lot easier to pack than an AR7. I might have to give one a try myself.

Great looking 22