No pay raises-state employees

[20ravens52]

So so so true.

I second that

 

[Name Taken]

I also don't get the complaining.

The majority of private sector jobs have a corresponding .Gov job.

To include house keeping, tow truck driver, mechanic, I.T. Help Desk, secretary, accounting, lawyer, general maintenance, grounds keeping, nurses, Dr.'s, and on and on.

If it's so great and you feel you are getting screwed jump on the gravy train.

 

[rico903]

And no pension, no 20 personal days off, no 10 paid holidays, no 20 years and out and no getting dug in like a tick where you can't be canned

Right with you. Now no SS Cola

 

[AntiGun]

Standing by for the obligatory statement: "If it's so great why then don't you apply?"

If it's so great and you feel you are getting screwed jump on the gravy train.

and there it is

 

[John from MD]

I'm retiring from the US government on 1/7/2016 but my last job wasn't my only job. Starting in high school, I have been a store custodian(floor sweeper), mechanic, soldier, sheriff deputy, County Mounty, Navy civilian, NJANG, maintenance manger, and federal employee. Additionally, I had side businesses as a gunsmith, and a small engine repair shop through most of my working life.
At several times, I worked two jobs at the same time not counting ANG or gunsmithing.

I have had better and worse jobs on both sides. I changed jobs for better positions, better pay or for better quality of life. The point is that I was willing to make changes to get a better deal. I have moved out of, in and around the country to do what I wanted. My pay and benefits went up and down depending on what job I had, the condition of the economy and my employers corporate health.

Today, I find the young people 1) are not interested in moving to get a better paying job, 2) think you are nuts when you tell them to get a second job if needed to make ends meet and 3) feel like whomever they are working for currently owes them a better salary and better benefits without them doing anymore for it.

I always ask them if someone was holding a gun to their head to insure they took their current job.

109 days and a wake up and I am gone! I hope to join the Reserve Officer corp at DNR so I can have fun while giving back to the people that have given to me.

 

[rob-cubed]

I make less now than I did a decade ago, and that's not even adjusting for inflation. Same job, and now at a company that is in a much better position to pay me than the last one was.

I opted to take a 25% pay cut in 2008 to keep my job (and keep the company solvent). I count myself lucky that I wasn't out of work even if my finances took a hit.

It sucks but that's post-Great-Recession American reality for most of us. Wage stagnation is a real thing. There's no reason government shouldn't have to make some of the same very painful decisions that the private sector has.

 

[Name Taken]

There's no reason government shouldn't have to make some of the same very painful decisions that the private sector has.

.Gov folks have although as far as I can tell not to a 25% decrease but then again not every private sector job has been hit that hard.

.Gov folks have had their pay increase frozen, some have had them taken away, just about everyone has contributed more to retirement and health care, and some have enjoyed 1-3% COLA's in the most recent years.

I am certainly not 100% for .Gov employment. A lot of the pay structure isn't for how good or bad you are it's how long you managed to slug yourself along. It is very hard to fire folks who aren't the worst of the worst.

The pensions systems when mismanaged becomes a HUGE burden on the tax base, (and after all even .Gov employee's do make up the TAX base) and thanks to some kick the can politicians, have some extravagant clauses in them.

With all that said there are a lot of 30-40k year a jobs in .Gov with not everyone making 100-120k a year by their retirement as some would have you think. You see some huge retirement numbers from upper management in police, fire, and other department heads but upper management in private sector also does better then a line worker.

 

[EL1227]

It's ALL politics

SLEAZY POLITICS ...

So McAwful is banking on the same sentiment expressed here, but from by his loyal state subjects. Which is somewhat deserved considering the disparity between thr private and the public sector, who will accept whatever in exchange for job security..

But what you're all missing is that it was a calculated decision on his part on where to cut. For many teachers and state employees, they'll just grumble and keep voting for him because their jobs depend on his signature. And, for the few who won't pay homage to KingShit Terry, he'll more than made up for it with felon votes ... and guaranteeing VA goes to The HildeBeast.

Those votes have already been paid for and he had to find the money somewhere. The man has no conscience or soul.

 

[lonzo]

I'm retiring from the US government on 1/7/2016 but my last job wasn't my only job. Starting in high school, I have been a store custodian(floor sweeper), mechanic, soldier, sheriff deputy, County Mounty, Navy civilian, NJANG, maintenance manger, and federal employee. Additionally, I had side businesses as a gunsmith, and a small engine repair shop through most of my working life.
At several times, I worked two jobs at the same time not counting ANG or gunsmithing.

I have had better and worse jobs on both sides. I changed jobs for better positions, better pay or for better quality of life. The point is that I was willing to make changes to get a better deal. I have moved out of, in and around the country to do what I wanted. My pay and benefits went up and down depending on what job I had, the condition of the economy and my employers corporate health.

Today, I find the young people 1) are not interested in moving to get a better paying job, 2) think you are nuts when you tell them to get a second job if needed to make ends meet and 3) feel like whomever they are working for currently owes them a better salary and better benefits without them doing anymore for it.

I always ask them if someone was holding a gun to their head to insure they took their current job.

109 days and a wake up and I am gone! I hope to join the Reserve Officer corp at DNR so I can have fun while giving back to the people that have given to me.

Amen and thank you for your service. Every job, government or not, has its perks and cons, its up to you to do something about it. People want to complain about everything, but unwilling to change. They want to thank you for your service, show support and all, but ask them if they are willing to pay a little more so you can have a decent wage,healthcare, ect.. its "heck no"...you rather complain that your own citizens that are providing you a service, security, ect, but where is the complaints about billions of dollars are going to illegals, to foreign countries, including those that are NOT our allies..

 

[j_h_smith]

I've seen it from all sides of the argument. Private vs government, labor vs management too. Each side has its pros and cons. Comfort is what usually drives one to stay at their present employer. In today's world it seems like folks go from job to job. I don't know if it's because they haven't found their comfort or it's to get a few more dollars in the pocket. I'm of the old school. Before I went off on disability, I had 33 years with 1 company. I've got nephews that haven't reached 40 and have worked for a dozen companies. I have friends with certain clearances that come and go, from a government job to the private sector and back. I don't think any group has the ideal job. In my last job, we were a closed shop covered under a bargaining agreement. One time we went 7 years without a raise. Why, because the president said that we were a vital part of the infrastructure and he put us back to work every time. My company seemed like they pitted the management against the union. For 4 or 5 years, the unionized employees got their raises. Then after the contract expired, the management folks would get their raises for 4 or 5 years. A terrible way to run a large business, but this kind of stuff continues today.

Be happy that you're working and have some benefits. There are many others than don't have what you have.

 

[Blaster229]

Private sector- Took massive pay cut to keep the doors open when the housing market collapsed.
Government- We didn't get a raise this year.

Private sector- Health insurance cost up 400% , deductible up 500%. Add another 20% on top of that this year!
Government- You're kidding, right???

Private sector- What is a vacation?
Government- We only have 8 weeks!

Private sector- Sick day? Boss says you had better be in intensive care and we want at least 2 weeks notice!
Government- Sick day? How about 15 days and you can even cash them in or use them toward early retirement.

Private sector- Lunch break? What is that?!
Government- An hour give or take an hour.

Private sector- Restroom break. Go before you leave home in the morning before your 10-12 hour day.
Government- Do you want the newspaper or a magazine to read?

Private sector- Retirement? Ha, ha, ha, ha! You have got to be kidding me!
Government- Sure thing! If we can't afford to pay what we promise you, we'll just raise taxes on the private sector.

If being a government employee is so bad, why is it that no government employees are clamoring to get into the private sector?

You must be talking about the State Government.

 

[AntiGun]

Accountability aside, my next biggest complaint is the lack of open competition for jobs.

I've applied for many, been referred for quite a few and made it to final selection, but the end result is always the same because the position was filled before it was ever listed. I know for a fact that my application caused some issues for a pre-selected candidate based on qualifications. I've even been point blank told don't bother applying because the job is already filled and the listing is a formality. My favorites are the vague phone calls from the selecting committee member who is just checking off a form to say they did their due diligence. The worst I saw was a half dozen people interviewed for a position that had been filled prior to listing. They knew eyes were on them so they made a big show of the process and I was able to see it all first hand. That was for a job I was politely told to not apply for... If you don't know the right people then your qualifications don't mean shit.

 

[pbharvey]

welcome to the real world

 

[Kman]

welcome to the real world

Funny your saying that.

I was escorted out of a MD comptroller's office about 25 years ago when a state employee said that to me and I went off.
MD had destroyed tax attachments on my return and they told me I had to make an appointment to present copies and explain them to the comptroller. I made the mistake of complaining about missing a day of work to correct their mistake. Then she said "Welcome to the real word".
I colorfully explained to her that she worked for the state and had little concept of the real world and that if I did my job as half assed as her my boss would throw my out on my ear.
Tax problem was resolved, but security guys showed me to the door.

 

[moojersey]

Good. They don't need a damn raise. Should be grateful they have a job.

 

[dist1646]

If it's so great and you feel you are getting screwed jump on the gravy train.

If everyone did that, who would:
Make the parts to build the train?
Build the train?
Maintain the train?
Lay the tracks?
Build the train Station?
Provide fuel for the train?
Make the gravy?
The list goes on...

Someone has to produce for those who enjoy the ride!

 

[pbharvey]

I also don't get the complaining.

The majority of private sector jobs have a corresponding .Gov job.

To include house keeping, tow truck driver, mechanic, I.T. Help Desk, secretary, accounting, lawyer, general maintenance, grounds keeping, nurses, Dr.'s, and on and on.

If it's so great and you feel you are getting screwed jump on the gravy train.

A lot of people cannot, or rather don't want to, function in a .gov environment. It's antithetical to our work ethic. I know plenty of .gov employees who work hard but 100% of them are frustrated at the sloths they work with as well as all the waste.

The .gov employment scheme is unsustainable.

 

[Name Taken]

A lot of people cannot, or rather don't want to, function in a .gov environment. It's antithetical to our work ethic. I know plenty of .gov employees who work hard but 100% of them are frustrated at the sloths they work with as well as all the waste.

The .gov employment scheme is unsustainable.

I guess when I'm at work I worry about doing my job and getting the overall mission done. I could care less if the person next to me has the same work ethic. Regardless if a private company or the tax base is writing the check. I've never meet a successful person who let the guy next to them dictate their production.

Sustainable or not is a conversation to be had. But crying and complaining about not having certain benefits when it is rather easy to obtain those benefits is counter productive at best.

You don't have to be a .Gov worker to get those benefits. You do have to work your tail off and focus on your work. The other option is to apply to those places offering those oh so glorious benefits folks described.

If I wanted 50% off of Apple products I'd go work for them. If I wanted a six figure salary I'd find that upper management spot and strive to get it. If 4 weeks of vacation was important to me I'd negotiate that with my employer. But complaining about what someone else gets is very counter productive to the whole thing.

At the end of the day we are all just trying to find a good seat on the Titanic. Worry about getting a seat that fits you not the person next to you.

 

[Name Taken]

If everyone did that, who would:
Make the parts to build the train?
Build the train?
Maintain the train?
Lay the tracks?
Build the train Station?
Provide fuel for the train?
Make the gravy?
The list goes on...

Someone has to produce for those who enjoy the ride!

Well certainly not EVERYONE could do it but plenty of folks who complained in this thread could.

I would venture to say if they posted their current job there is a corresponding .gov that would give them the benefits they strive for. Some might be exempt for education or criminal back round but there is a mirror on the wall for that problem.

 

[swinokur]

I used to sit around and lsiten to guys bitch when another person got a promotion. I asked them if his raise came out of their check. They then shut up for a while.