NY ordered to answer to SCOTUS

[Allen65]

Kinda disappointed they did not throw out sensitive places like Times Square

They wanted to save that for Thomas and Alito to take care of.

Zero chance NY won't appeal, even though we know the beating they'll take at SCOTUS will make the 2CA decision look like a win for the Antis compared to a SCOTUS final decision. Hopefully the case will skip the en banc stage so we can get to the wirebrushing sooner.

 

[delaware_export]

one of the points made , i think it was by alito, in oral arguments was that trying to make all of manhatten a sensitive place would not fit.

that's a pretty close to a quote of his words, from offhand recollection. so it seem pretty much that it was overlooked. that fact that it wasn't written in any of the opinions is meh, but if it comes his way, it will at least get attention. not sure how the others will feel.

Kinda disappointed they did not throw out sensitive places like Times Square

 

[FrankZ]

one of the points made , i think it was by alito, in oral arguments was that trying to make all of manhatten a sensitive place would not fit.

that's a pretty close to a quote of his words, from offhand recollection. so it seem pretty much that it was overlooked. that fact that it wasn't written in any of the opinions is meh, but if it comes his way, it will at least get attention. not sure how the others will feel.

Put simply, there is no historical basis for New York to effectively declare the island of Manhattan a “sensitive place” simply because it is crowded and protected generally by the New York City Police Department.

It was part of the Opinion of the Court in Bruen.

 

[Fushigi Ojisan]

From this week's "Short Circuit" newsletter

Friends, if you would like to read 297 pages about various challenges to New York’s regulations of firearms, the Second Circuit has you more than covered today. If you would like a summary of those pages, we regret to inform you that that’s too much to ask on a Friday morning.

 

[emerald]

I'll wait for Four Boxes Lawyer to ring in, and cut it down to a mere half-hour.

Agree, and got a chuckle when he said, "and yes, I've read it." No wonder his hair looks like that!

 

[swinokur]

 

[teratos]

Can you give me a synopsis?

 

[swinokur]

Nope it’s under 16 minutes

 

[Apd09]

Can you give me a synopsis?

Can’t ban guns in churches because violates free exorcise clause of the 1st amendment to practice religion without government interference.


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[swinokur]

It was sarcasm lol

You slay me Doc

 

[Mark75H]

Can you give me a synopsis?

Specific to NY law challenges as Apd09 notes, 1a and 2a arguments in line with historical and Bruen

 

[teratos]

It was sarcasm lol

You slay me Doc

It was. I will watch Mr. Smith when I get home....

 

[BeoBill]

Thank you.

Smith makes a number of interesting points; worth a listen (at 1.5x speed).

MUCH more palatable at 2x. He keeps repeating himself too, so if you watch the first 8 minutes (or 4 at 2x) minus the first 2 (or 1) of self promotion, you get all the substance.

 

[press1280]

They wanted to save that for Thomas and Alito to take care of.

Zero chance NY won't appeal, even though we know the beating they'll take at SCOTUS will make the 2CA decision look like a win for the Antis compared to a SCOTUS final decision. Hopefully the case will skip the en banc stage so we can get to the wirebrushing sooner.

From what I gather this ruling was on the emergency stay and is not the final ruling. NY can appeal (maybe they do appeal en banc), but I doubt they want to appeal to SCOTUS on this point.
But who knows, as Smith said the default no-carry in businesses was the big one here, as it effectively limited carry to sidewalks, vehicles, and your own private residences.
I'd have to read through the whole 261 pages. I'm still waiting for one of these laws to get shut down strictly on the basis of the new law being hurried through the legislature with zero backing showing why it was necessary in the first place. Case in point, why 16-18 hours of training is now necessary, where it wasn't pre-Bruen.

 

[delaware_export]

Is this case at a point where both sides can appeal?

pro 2a because of the many things NOT tossed?
anti 2a for the things that were tossed?

using tossed to mean things not ruled in favor of the particular sides. Each side looking for more review of what their side lost

how does it go ?

 

[Allen65]

Is this case at a point where both sides can appeal?

pro 2a because of the many things NOT tossed?
anti 2a for the things that were tossed?

using tossed to mean things not ruled in favor of the particular sides. Each side looking for more review of what their side lost

how does it go ?

As Press1280 mentioned above, this isn't the final ruling, it's only about a preliminary injunction. It is still possible that, after arguments, the District Court and eventually 2CA will throw out even more of NY's law in their final ruling and mandate. The massive tome the court put out about the PI will let the plaintiffs tailor their subsequent arguments for trial to address the points used to preserve the parts of law that survived the PI ruling.

 

[swinokur]

 

[jc1240]

I really think I know as much law as some of these judges.

 

[swinokur]

You know more my friend

 

[delaware_export]

One of the ny carry segments was challenged and injunction ruled against … opinion is interesting.

scotus should reconsider. (They say to scotus)