HAS ANYONE REQUESTED THEIR REGISTRATION FILE AT MSP?

[Merlin]

They do know what when and from where you got regulated fireearms my father just got a copy of his and yes long guns are on there as well.

Well that's something new they must have started to keep track of. Like I said, 5 years ago they did not have any record of any long guns I own.

 

[Ab_Normal]

They do know what when and from where you got regulated fireearms my father just got a copy of his and yes long guns are on there as well.

Were they regulated long guns?

Or were they voluntarily registered?

 

[boatbod]

Were they regulated long guns?

Maybe he purchased them at an FFL which subsequently closed their doors?

 

[Merlin]

Maybe he purchased them at an FFL which subsequently closed their doors?

That's fine, but does not answer the question. The question was, "were they regulated long guns?".

 

[TurkeyTrack]

So...While I'm waiting on my latest purchase to be approved, now I'm gonna be delayed because a bunch of people want to send in requests for Public Information Act. Who do you think is gonna respond to your request? The same people that are already over worked and can't keep up with background checks.

 

[Ab_Normal]

Maybe he purchased them at an FFL which subsequently closed their doors?

That info goes to the ATF not MSP unless they share info that is against federal law to keep.

Or maybe they were voluntarily registered.

 

[Name Taken]

It ONLY has regulated long guns unless the person voluntarily registered the long gun.

The only problem is when some rifles and shotguns like the .22 AR's and S-12 were being sold as regulated...they will obviously be in the system although not regulated..or are they since they were sold as such??

None the less...regular shotguns and rifles ARE NOT in MSP's system.

 

[Merlin]

It ONLY has regulated long guns unless the person voluntarily registered the long gun.

The only problem is when some rifles and shotguns like the .22 AR's and S-12 were being sold as regulated...they will obviously be in the system although not regulated..or are they since they were sold as such??

None the less...regular shotguns and rifles ARE NOT in MSP's system.

And that's what I believe to be true. However I think you can't register an unregulated gun if you wanted to. I'm sure the MSP will tell you to go away because they just do not keep track of that info. And they are not going to anything they do not have to do just because you asked them to.

If it's regulated they want the info. If it's not...they will tell you to go away.

 

[marte616]

So...While I'm waiting on my latest purchase to be approved, now I'm gonna be delayed because a bunch of people want to send in requests for Public Information Act. Who do you think is gonna respond to your request? The same people that are already over worked and can't keep up with background checks.

Hey man, as taxpayers, we all deserve the same service- and that's MSP's job. Call your reps in Annapolis and ask them how are they planning to enforce new laws if the ones currently in the books are not even being enforces, e.g., wait times and approvals of gun registration.

 

[Ab_Normal]

And that's what I believe to be true. However I think you can't register an unregulated gun if you wanted to. I'm sure the MSP will tell you to go away because they just do not keep track of that info. And they are not going to anything they do not have to do just because you asked them to.

If it's regulated they want the info. If it's not...they will tell you to go away.

You can register any firearm you want. That is why the form is titled as 'voluntary registration'.

 

[Name Taken]

Hey man, as taxpayers, we all deserve the same service- and that's MSP's job. Call your reps in Annapolis and ask them how are they planning to enforce new laws if the ones currently in the books are not even being enforces, e.g., wait times and approvals of gun registration.

There is no law for going PAST 7 days...just you cant do it before the 7th day.

That's a problem...if they wrote it into the law that states "Must be completed within 10 days" then you have a complaint. The law says nothing about them HAVING to have it done with in 7 days.

 

[Ab_Normal]

There is no law for going PAST 7 days...just you cant do it before the 7th day.

That's a problem...if they wrote it into the law that states "Must be completed within 10 days" then you have a complaint. The law says nothing about them HAVING to have it done with in 7 days.

You're correct. It says we must wait a minimum of 7 days to exercise our rights and if they don't ever let us exercise them that is ok too.

 

[hogrider]

With all the talk about registration, and the recent incidents in NY and TX of papers releasing names and addresses of gun owners, I was thinking...

has anyone requested from MSP a copy of their dossier, i.e., any information they may have on you regarding collector status, gun ownership and registration information, investigator's notes for your CCW application, etc.. etc?

I think I will call them tomorrow and ask on how to proceed....it will probably take a FOIA, but I am willing to submit one (have done before with the Feds).

I will let you guys know how it goes...

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I have requested that Delegate Dwyer's staff contact the MSP about this question.

Still waiting for a reply..

Will post as soon as I find out something.

 

[seawolf823]

I contacted the MSP the other week to see if my app was recieved and the trooper pulled up my info and said the only thing he had in the system was my 2 purchases (make and model and purchase dates) of the regulated firearms I purchased last year.

 

[SammyB]

Someone has information, during my SF86 interview, my investigator had a list of everything I owned.

Really? That's interesting. They never mentioned anything when they did mine.

 

[Mark75H]

I contacted the MSP the other week to see if my app was recieved and the trooper pulled up my info and said the only thing he had in the system was my 2 purchases (make and model and purchase dates) of the regulated firearms I purchased last year.

Because what is in the computer database is not all of what they have. If you begged him to go to the file cabinet, he may have found something else.

 

[TurkeyTrack]

PUBLIC SAFETY
TITLE 5. FIREARMS
SUBTITLE 1. REGULATED FIREARMS


Md. PUBLIC SAFETY Code Ann. § 5-121 (2012)

§ 5-121. Investigation of firearm applicant


(a) Secretary to conduct investigation. -- On receipt of a firearm application, the Secretary shall conduct an investigation promptly to determine the truth or falsity of the information supplied and statements made in the firearm application.

(b) Request for assistance. -- In conducting an investigation under this subsection, the Secretary may request the assistance of the Police Commissioner of Baltimore City, the chief of police in any county maintaining a police force, or the sheriff in a county not maintaining a police force.

 

[TurkeyTrack]

PUBLIC SAFETY
TITLE 5. FIREARMS
SUBTITLE 1. REGULATED FIREARMS


Md. PUBLIC SAFETY Code Ann. § 5-122 (2012)

§ 5-122. Disapproval of firearm application


(a) Grounds. -- The Secretary shall disapprove a firearm application if:

(1) the Secretary determines that the firearm applicant supplied false information or made a false statement;

(2) the Secretary determines that the firearm application is not properly completed; or

(3) the Secretary receives written notification from the firearm applicant's licensed attending physician that the firearm applicant suffers from a mental disorder and is a danger to the firearm applicant or to another.

(b) Notice. --

(1) If the Secretary disapproves a firearm application, the Secretary shall notify the prospective seller, lessor, or transferor in writing of the disapproval within 7 days after the date that the executed firearm application is forwarded to the Secretary by certified mail or facsimile machine.

(2) After notifying the prospective seller, lessor, or transferor under paragraph (1) of this subsection, the Secretary shall notify the prospective purchaser, lessee, or transferee in writing of the disapproval.

(3) The date when the prospective seller, lessor, or transferor forwards the executed firearm application to the Secretary by certified mail or by facsimile machine is the first day of the 7-day period allowed for notice of disapproval to the prospective seller, lessor, or transferor.

 

[milldog]

You're presuming that there even is a "file".

I'd like to hear the results of your inquiry, but I have a sneaking suspicion that we're over estimating the ability of the MSP to have the resources to collate, maintain and analyze all of the of forms and transactions to even put together a "file" on everyone.

When they do bring data together to create one as part of an investigation, I'm throwing out there the theory that the materials are collated after the fact and when someone already has the spotlight on them and they go digging for information.

Without going into too many details, having handled several FOIAs at work this is pretty accurate. Unless you're already on a list because you're a criminal, terrorist, etc, nobody's going to be organized enough to have that single master file on John Q Civilian (and this stuff still ain't that easy to collate even if you're in the former categories).

That being said, I think your request idea is a good exercise to go through. I see there's a lot of discussion after the first page of comments so assuming nobody's shot down the idea later on I'd also be interested in the results (e.g. they gave you something useful, ignored you, told you to pound sand, etc.), as it could impact what I may do WRT registration later on should these bills pass.


...and on the avatar discussion...cracked my wife up when she read it

 

[skinsfan]

they know...when talking to one of the investigators in regards to my collector status...they said something to the effect of 'well I see here you have 45 purchases on file"....that has to be going WAY BACK as I only still own a few...I assume these were all purchases that required pistol paperwork...I wish I still had anywhere near that number>>>