Bigfoot21075
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Maryland has a database called Mguns available to law enforcement. If you have purchased any regulated gun in the state since the late 60s they know what you have.
(NO such thing)
Maryland has a database called Mguns available to law enforcement. If you have purchased any regulated gun in the state since the late 60s they know what you have.
MSP is NOT plotting in some secret room at 1201 on how to confiscate firearms from honest citizens. It has NO desire to deny a citizen their rights. It is a very political organization....
Trolling is saying that 130 bucks in fees over 10 years is too much money to pay. That's less than the ammo I shot off last time I had a few hours to spare. You can still do private sales, but that's the only way you can buy a handgun in any state without dealing with brady bill nonsense and a form 4473. So, you're creating your own dystopia in your mind. If you have seen how stupid people are in MD, you wouldn't care that someone so young and inexperienced that they don't even own a handgun in 2013 would have to have one afternoon of training. I still see people do dumb things like pick up unloaded guns, and then proceed to load them before they start playing with them carelessly in MD. When you're surrounded by libtards, there's always a price to pay.
Would you say the same re a poll tax?
Look, terms like "fees" and "permits" should never occur in tandem with a [constitutionally guaranteed] civil right. Plain and simple.
The poll tax is the analogy I use when opposing the fees involved in getting an HQL. The Fifteenth Amendment made the poll tax unconstitutional because it hindered the right of a portion of the populous to vote, at the time, newly freed slaves that did not have the funds to pay the tax. The HQL administrative fees and the lack of police provided free fingerprinting are completely analogous to the poll tax. They hinder law-abiding citizens from exercising their rights under the Second Amendment. I'm an engineer and the money to get an HQL didn't hinder me, but what about the 22 year old who is making $10/hr who, in addition to getting the money together for an entry level handgun and some ammo, now has to shell out $200 to get an HQL. That is a serious hindrance.
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Or the older person on a limited or fixed income. There're almost literally an endless number of arguments against the HQL.
seems... contradictory.MSP is NOT plotting in some secret room at 1201 on how to confiscate firearms from honest citizens. It has NO desire to deny a citizen their rights. It is a very political organization
. If you have seen how stupid people are in MD, you wouldn't care that someone so young and inexperienced that they don't even own a handgun in 2013 would have to have one afternoon of training.
They shouldn't be allowed to charge a fee. but, at 13 dollars a year, it is the smallest government fee I have ever had to pay. If you can't afford 13 dollars a year, you can't afford firearms.
They shouldn't be allowed to charge a fee. but, at 13 dollars a year, it is the smallest government fee I have ever had to pay. If you can't afford 13 dollars a year, you can't afford firearms.
MD is one of only a few states that restrict the purchase of handguns like this and the only state with a live fire component as part of required training. In the rest of the country, not only is training NOT required to be able to purchase a handgun, but neither are added fees or any kind of licensing. Handguns can be exchanged freely between two non-prohibited parties as well.
Suggesting that if one cannot afford X, they cannot own guns is beyond elitist and smacks of the same attitude that brought about poll taxes. It's just not right.
The HQL is a barrier to many from buying, as Scalia in Heller wrote, "the quintessential self-defense weapon." $50 to the state, $50-$75 for prints, and $20-$100 for training, plus transportation to and scheduling for an instructor/range time may not sound like much to many of us, but it is to many, many others. Not to mention that this process usually takes a month or so to complete.
The goal of the HQL was never public safety -- it's a deliberate limitation on how many Marylanders can acquire handguns. The state arbitrarily chose $50 for the card. I saw that deliberation on the house floor myself. The card costs the state less than half that to produce.
Yay you!i paid 75 for the HQL, 55 for prints.. 0 dollars for collector status. for a grand total of 130 dollars. good for ten years. that's 13 dollars a year.
The poll tax is the analogy I use when opposing the fees involved in getting an HQL. The Fifteenth Amendment made the poll tax unconstitutional because it hindered the right of a portion of the populous to vote, at the time, newly freed slaves that did not have the funds to pay the tax. The HQL administrative fees and the lack of police provided free fingerprinting are completely analogous to the poll tax. They hinder law-abiding citizens from exercising their rights under the Second Amendment. I'm an engineer and the money to get an HQL didn't hinder me, but what about the 22 year old who is making $10/hr who, in addition to getting the money together for an entry level handgun and some ammo, now has to shell out $200 to get an HQL. That is a serious hindrance.
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Trolling is saying that 130 bucks in fees over 10 years is too much money to pay. That's less than the ammo I shot off last time I had a few hours to spare. You can still do private sales, but that's the only way you can buy a handgun in any state without dealing with brady bill nonsense and a form 4473. So, you're creating your own dystopia in your mind. If you have seen how stupid people are in MD, you wouldn't care that someone so young and inexperienced that they don't even own a handgun in 2013 would have to have one afternoon of training. I still see people do dumb things like pick up unloaded guns, and then proceed to load them before they start playing with them carelessly in MD. When you're surrounded by libtards, there's always a price to pay.
This sort of thing has always been the MO of the anti Second Amendment crowd.
The amount being a hindrance is precisely what was behind the "tax stamp" fee in the NFA. ($200 in 1934 is equivalent to $3,658.06 now.)
I never said the HQL was moral, or I liked it. But I can't tell you how pathetic I would feel if I said no more handguns for me over 13 dollars a year. that can't even get you two pit beef sandwiches any more.