Except ATF was telling the owners that if they didn't cooperate, ATF would be back later with a warrant, and then it's "disassemble your house until we find it" time.
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Except ATF was telling the owners that if they didn't cooperate, ATF would be back later with a warrant, and then it's "disassemble your house until we find it" time.
Bertfish
Throw bread on me
I'm at a point where this crap doesn't phase me. Come on back jackasses. You won't find it because I don't own it. If (big if) you're even able to get your warrant than go get one. I told you I got rid of it and you can't prove I didn't. I committed no crime. I know tough words from a guy online.
Maybe Muleskinner is right. When it comes time for it to hit the fan how many people really will be willing to get ugly.
whistlersmother
Peace through strength
There's a time and place for getting ugly. Make sure its to YOUR advantage and not his.
Maybe it's the 80%
Maybe, just maybe when it is sold as a kit more than 80% of the firearm is now present and it can be considered a firearm.
After all, you can't shoot a stripped lower, but it is a firearm as far as the law is concerned.
Ridiculous? Maybe, maybe not.
Maybe, just maybe when it is sold as a kit more than 80% of the firearm is now present and it can be considered a firearm.
After all, you can't shoot a stripped lower, but it is a firearm as far as the law is concerned.
Ridiculous? Maybe, maybe not.
FYI if anyone comes knocking.....
https://blog.princelaw.com/2020/12/...nder-your-80-frame-or-receiver-under-protest/
https://blog.princelaw.com/2020/12/...nder-your-80-frame-or-receiver-under-protest/
- Feb 17, 2011
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A math question, an 80% receiver in a kit full of the rest of the parts is that more of a "firearm" than when sold separately. It is a semantics argument.
ok answer this..
what part of the firearm is considered the firearm? Does not matter if the rest of the firearm is sold with it. Like an 80% AR full kit. so all the other non firearm items make up more than 80% or more of the complete kit it is then considered a firearm?
Not giving you crap, just asking why you think that.... The only part considered the firearm is the 80% lower. Slide, barrel, etc. not
what part of the firearm is considered the firearm? Does not matter if the rest of the firearm is sold with it. Like an 80% AR full kit. so all the other non firearm items make up more than 80% or more of the complete kit it is then considered a firearm?
Not giving you crap, just asking why you think that.... The only part considered the firearm is the 80% lower. Slide, barrel, etc. not
Matlack
Scribe
- Dec 15, 2008
- 8,559
They have a forum handle, polymer80, and you can go back and read, I think, their only thread on this site.
Long story short, when they were getting started and said what they were doing. I asked them questions. They answered and I told them they were going to have problems and why. They said I was an idiot and didnt know what I was talking about. It didnt work right, exactly as I said. They did correct their first batch for anyone who had failures and complained, but the owner said I was still an idiot. So no, I dont like them.
Oh3
Member
It’s harassment as a prequel to eventual outlawing them. Every one of the lowers I bought didn’t work and got tossed into the recycling bin.
I'm not sure it's intended as harassment; I see a different motive. By creating this case, ATF can collect evidence for it that can then be later cherry-picked by the antis to craft and push bills outlawing home manufacturing entirely.
Racinready300ex-2
Active Member
- Apr 10, 2020
- 185
So you see it as better if the president can just have unelected bureaucrats make law as he see's fit as opposed to our representatives being forced to actually pass a law?
Hopefully you're right, we'll see how it plays out when Biden has that same power in the coming months. I don't see why he can't give us AWB 2.0, by just applying this new power to everything he wants to ban. Then after a few years of fighting it in the courts it'll finally get to the SC and they'll just refuse to hear the case like they do with most other 2A cases.
axshon
Ultimate Member
Just did a little of my own research to be sure of correct info. This ATF thing seems to be a legal battle, primarily, at this time.
USCCA supports the USCCA Legal Defense Foundation that is separate from their normal membership. There is a form on the web site to request a grant to help with legal representation in cases of red flag etc. Membership is not required to apply for a grant. USCCA is worthwhile (IMHO) as another pro 2A organization fighting the legal battle and offering training help to CCW citizens.
Locally, MSI works to track, report and fight for our 2A rights in MD. Join!
USCCA supports the USCCA Legal Defense Foundation that is separate from their normal membership. There is a form on the web site to request a grant to help with legal representation in cases of red flag etc. Membership is not required to apply for a grant. USCCA is worthwhile (IMHO) as another pro 2A organization fighting the legal battle and offering training help to CCW citizens.
Locally, MSI works to track, report and fight for our 2A rights in MD. Join!
doc.morrison
Member
Thank you, Docster.
Doc.
Peace. Out.
Doc.
Peace. Out.
tailgunner
Active Member
I guess all emails and purchases will be visited by the atf
Kharn
Ultimate Member
I have read they have to stop searching when they find the item described in the warrant?
So would putting the frame in plain view on top of your safe (baring MD's juvenile safe storage laws, or using one of the multitude of cable locks we all have lying around) be the best course of action?
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They're making a list
Checking it twice
Gonna find out who's paying the price
The ATF is coming, to town!
They're making a list
Checking it twice
Gonna find out who's paying the price
The ATF is coming, to town!
Oh3
Member
Fuuuuu..... I hope that’s not right. No grandfather clause either
